thanks. So its a bit early to tell of any long term effects. Apart from diabetes, were you otherwise healthy? I am interested, as the idea of giving up so many carbs is a new avenue for me to explore. Hope you dont mind me asking.886 days.
Hi, Littlegreycat. This topic is producing some really interesting links and studies. My comment / crack about the traditional Inuit diet, Vitamin C and scurvy has made me search for the original article. Current studies suggest that fat and connective tissue of WILD animals that feed on a large range of food sources may contain enough nutrients to sustain humans. Unlike Inuits most of our meat is farmed and has a different, less varied nutritional profile from wild meat. Also, as you pointed out, Inuits traditionally ate all of a carcass, much of it raw. The amount of VitC needed to prevent scurvy is very small, about 10mcg per day?, but this is not necessarily an optimal level.With respect I think this is misleading, because there is at least one fine example of a European living for a full year with the Inuit eating the same diet as them and surviving and thriving.
I suspect that the Inuit also have/had some access to Vitamin C through berries traded from further South. As far as I know not all Inuit lived their lives 100% ice bound.
The sometimes reliable Wikipedia says:
"Vitamins and minerals which are typically derived from plant sources are nonetheless present in most Inuit diets. Vitamins A and D are present in the oils and livers of cold-water fishes and mammals. Vitamin C is obtained through sources such as caribou liver, kelp, whale skin, and seal brain; because these foods are typically eaten raw or frozen, the vitamin C they contain, which would be destroyed by cooking, is instead preserved."
indeed, which is why it perplexes meNot wishing to put down @NoCrbs4Me but there are thousands and probably more people eating this way.
It's a growing body of people, a number of whom are even ex-vegans, who find a zero carb (no plant) way of eating extremely beneficial.
I had some intestinal issues that went away when I stopped eating plants.thanks. So its a bit early to tell of any long term effects. Apart from diabetes, were you otherwise healthy? I am interested, as the idea of giving up so many carbs is a new avenue for me to explore. Hope you dont mind me asking.
Then why not try it and see how you get on?indeed, which is why it perplexes me
Minced beef would be fine. There are some zero carbers that only eat minced beef - some eat it raw, most eat it cooked.Following on from my previous post - would it have to be red meat? I have TMJ and my teeth are not too brilliant either (toothless old hag comes to mind) so chewing hunks of meat is not an option for me.
there are many paleo website around, and suggestion please for a non-dodgy one?
That's understandable. It goes in the face of the standard government advice to eat "5 a day", lots of carbs, lots of fibre, and very little fat or red meat. It's almost the opposite of the government diet.indeed, which is why it perplexes me
Hi NoCrbs4Me. I am really intrigued by your diet and am fascinated to find someone who can eat in this way. Do you drink tea, coffee or wine at all?I think that blurb about vitamin C is a bit off the mark. I don't eat much seafood, no liver for more than 1 1/2 years, no brains (yuck), no raw meat, no kelp, no whale skin, and don't take vitamin c supplements. Most of the meat I eat has been aged 40 to 60 days or longer. I doubt my intake of vitamin c is any where near enough to prevent scurvy according to current science, yet I don't have scurvy.
I doubt the meat I eat is deficient in any nutrients that humans need. Do you have a link to these "current studies"? The Inuit did not eat all of a carcass (unless they were starving) - they give the innards to the dogs. Most of what they ate was cooked, at least according to the European explorers that lived with them. Anyway, that's neither here nor there. Regular meat from a grocery store has all the nutrition a person needs.Hi, Littlegreycat. This topic is producing some really interesting links and studies. My comment / crack about the traditional Inuit diet, Vitamin C and scurvy has made me search for the original article. Current studies suggest that fat and connective tissue of WILD animals that feed on a large range of food sources may contain enough nutrients to sustain humans. Unlike Inuits most of our meat is farmed and has a different, less varied nutritional profile from wild meat. Also, as you pointed out, Inuits traditionally ate all of a carcass, much of it raw. The amount of VitC needed to prevent scurvy is very small, about 10mcg per day?, but this is not necessarily an optimal level.
www.discovermagazine.com/2004/oct/inuit-paradox
Also, one person surviving for a year on an all meat diet without any apparent ill effects does not a study make. As we all know from experience we vary in our individual dietary requirements quite considerably.
I drink coffee and occasionally have wine or spirits. I even go off the rails sometimes and eat non-zero carb food, but not very often.Hi NoCrbs4Me. I am really intrigued by your diet and am fascinated to find someone who can eat in this way. Do you drink tea, coffee or wine at all?
When I can find suitable references to energy transfers in food production etc I shall post them. At the moment I am using this thread as an excuse for not decluttering my study!
What if we are someone that does not like much meat. I don't eat red meat so just mostly chicken but I don't think we could just live on chicken and be healthy because it is low fat and presumably you need the saturated fat so chicken would not have enough Not that never eating plant foods would be an option for me I love vegetables to muchThat's understandable. It goes in the face of the standard government advice to eat "5 a day", lots of carbs, lots of fibre, and very little fat or red meat. It's almost the opposite of the government diet.
According to the zero carb experts, you eat the meat you enjoy. "Meat" being anything from the animal kingdom. So, eating chicken should be fine. I'd leave the skin on, though. Chicken has almost as much saturated fat as beef.What if we are someone that does not like much meat. I don't eat red meat so just mostly chicken but I don't think we could just live on chicken and be healthy because it is low fat and presumably you need the saturated fat so chicken would not have enough Not that never eating plant foods would be an option for me I love vegetables to much
What if we are someone that does not like much meat. I don't eat red meat so just mostly chicken but I don't think we could just live on chicken and be healthy because it is low fat and presumably you need the saturated fat so chicken would not have enough Not that never eating plant foods would be an option for me I love vegetables to much
I drink coffee and occasionally have wine or spirits. I even go off the rails sometimes and eat non-zero carb food, but not very often.
What do you mean "can eat this way"? I don't think I have any special physiological adaptations compared to other people.
I think it might be difficult to quantify the environmental costs of meat versus plant foods. You'd have to take into account the conditions where the food is produced (e.g. the chemicals used to control weeds, the energy spent planting and harvesting, the effect of irrigation),the amount of wastage (more than half of fruit/veg don't make it to a plate, from what I've read), the energy spent storing and shipping it it thousands of miles (in my case from California and farther), etc. My guess is that the way I eat comes out ahead as it's all local (no more than 100 miles or so) and the cattle eat mostly grass on land that is not suitable to grow anything else. You'll most likely be able to find vegan propaganda
I drink coffee and occasionally have wine or spirits. I even go off the rails sometimes and eat non-zero carb food, but not very often.
What do you mean "can eat this way"? I don't think I have any special physiological adaptations compared to other people.
I think it might be difficult to quantify the environmental costs of meat versus plant foods. You'd have to take into account the conditions where the food is produced (e.g. the chemicals used to control weeds, the energy spent planting and harvesting, the effect of irrigation),the amount of wastage (more than half of fruit/veg don't make it to a plate, from what I've read), the energy spent storing and shipping it it thousands of miles (in my case from California and farther), etc. My guess is that the way I eat comes out ahead as it's all local (no more than 100 miles or so) and the cattle eat mostly grass on land that is not suitable to grow anything else. You'll most likely be able to find vegan propaganda that says otherwise, though.
Certainly, but my concern is that, oftentimes, diet related health issues don't manifest except over a long period of time. I don't really feel comfortable enough trying it and would be concerned that, given i already eat quite a bit of protein, upping that amount might be genuinely problematic.Then why not try it and see how you get on?
You may even unperplex yourself.
That's understandable. It goes in the face of the standard government advice to eat "5 a day", lots of carbs, lots of fibre, and very little fat or red meat. It's almost the opposite of the government diet.
tesco's minced beef with the most fat i could find was 11g fat/100gAccording to the zero carb experts, you eat the meat you enjoy. "Meat" being anything from the animal kingdom. So, eating chicken should be fine. I'd leave the skin on, though. Chicken has almost as much saturated fat as beef.
Certainly, but my concern is that, oftentimes, diet related health issues don't manifest except over a long period of time. I don't really feel comfortable enough trying it and would be concerned that, given i already eat quite a bit of protein, upping that amount might be genuinely problematic.
I also don't feel there's any reason not to eat veg. I don't think plant food is causing my any issues, YMMV.
i'd like to see more studies done on this before I'm convinced
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