Fatty Liver

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I've spent a lifetime on low fat low calorie diets. I ended up with liver levels of 185 and frequent hospital appointments. Had scans and a biopsy which said I had advanced fatty liver.
All I can add is what worked for me.. 6 months on LCHF and it's cured. gone.. level now at 35.
The liver specialist at the hospital was amazed and kept checking for 18 months, then last year she said.. you liver results have been constantly normal for well over a year now... I'm discharging you from this clinic :)
When she asked how I'd done it, and I told her LCHF she almost shrieked .. " you can't do that !! "
 
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Liam1955 said:
Hi:). I remember in December 2016 my GP telling me my HBA1C had shot up because of taking Morphine and he said my Triglyerides (is it spelt right?) Was up 2.2 and that was needing to be watched. I am having loads of blood work done next week to check my GGT and ALT levels.
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Hi. If you are having a blood test, make sure it is fasting and make sure triglycerides are included and reported back to you. For some reason they keep getting omitted from blood test reports.
 
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Bluetit1802 said:
These tests are all included in my liver function tests that I have records of going back 10 years (thanks to on-line test results) None of these has ever been anywhere other than well within the quoted standards. (Bilirubin, ALT, albumin, Alk Phos )

I must conclude I have never had a fatty liver. Unless anyone can dispute this for me.
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Yes, I am the same. I think this every time someone declares that weight loss will reverse T2 by defattifying the liver.

I am obese, with optimal liver markers. Yes, there is insulin resistance, but there was insulin resistance throughout my slim childhood and teens, and I still don't have a fatty liver.

Definitely worth bearing in mind that there are other causes of T2.

Although, of course, a fatty liver ain't a good thing, and kudos to anyone who is tackling it!
 
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Hi Ickihun, Just try to keep positive and concentrate on what you can do to improve the situations in small ways. It is really poor how scans take so long to be wrote up after reporting. Do you think you are on the right meds for your condition? A good GP is a great help if you pass your concerns on to he/she. God bless you and give you peace. All the very best Derek


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I'm awaiting my echo results but very slow in coming. Had it done in early january. More need for cardiology willcome about after 40yrold + health checks and hereditary heart problem fears. God help us!
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Liam1955 said:
Hi:). I remember in December 2016 my GP telling me my HBA1C had shot up because of taking Morphine and he said my Triglyerides (is it spelt right?) Was up 2.2 and that was needing to be watched. I am having loads of blood work done next week to check my GGT and ALT levels.
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Thats right. I forgot we've already regurgitated this one in a past thread. Your meds were recognised as the catalyst by your specialist who ask your gp to revise, then you had a disc problem and Wham! more morphine etc. An impossible situation at the time. I'm guessing if no morphine before next blood test you'll see the true affect of it. :) :) :)
Sorry i jumped the gun earlier. I forgot the full facts!
Like @lindisfel says, everyone is different so not clear cut as carbs.
 
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Jeff Cyr shares his experience
https://www.facebook.com/jeff.cyr.589/posts/570161829855016
#1- I was diagnosed with T2 diabetes in April of 2005 with a fasting Blood glucose (FBG) of 300 mg/dl, 16.67 mmol , also with a Hemoglobin A1C of 12.0. An A1C of 12.0 is actually an estimated average blood sugar of 350. Just so you know an actual normal blood sugar is in the range of 85 mg/dl, my average blood sugar was 4.117 times higher than normal. 350➗85= 4.117.

#2= I was diagnosed with a fatal auto-immune liver disease, Primary Sclerosing Cholangitis (PSC) back in November of 2011, once diagnosed with this liver disease you live on average 8 years then you need a liver transplant due to total cirrhosis of the liver, http://www.liverfoundation.org/abouttheliver/info/cirrhosis/ . You can also get cancer of the bile ducts from this liver disease, this is how Walter Payton died.
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How do people know they have this? Doesn't everyone who is overweight have it?
Does it actually do any harm? More than diabetes that is.
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Hello....I just found by Googling that I should measure my waist properly standing up but also lying down. The difference between the two show the inches of visceral fat I have. Some fat is always in the liver but a large belly and Type 2 is a virtual guarantee that there is excess fat in the liver and pancreas. For some, like myself, even a little visceral fat pushes my fasting BG well into prediabetic levels. For me the rock bottom proper waist according to bone structure and height relating to charts is what I must attain and maintain. 1 or 2 inches extra waist is plenty enough for me to be in an unhealthy range and I realize that some folks must get really really lean to accomplish this. It still might not be enough to subdue the diabetes but so far it is working as it will for most folks I believe.
 
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For those with fatty liver, eating enough protein (for methionine) and eggs and liver (!) (for choline) is important. Aim for at least an egg a day and liver once a week.
Try to reduce alcohol, fructose (sweet processed foods/drinks and fruit) and omega-6 fats (many veg oils and processed foods).
 
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Its a frustration, a shame that it cant be removed like gallstones with lasers or medication, even treatment centres or a nice spa retreat specifically for this. The way Michael Moseley explains in his book the blood sugar diet, that the right diet - shocking the body with low calories makes the fat in the pancreas/liver melt away like butter in the sun. Love the analogy, but wish it were easier!
 
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Hi @lindisfel - I attended my Hospital Appointment this morning and I am pleased with my Blood Results. I have been following a Low Fat Diet since January of this year as instructed by the Liver Specialist. My ALT level is now 66 (was 102 in January) and my Gamma GT level is now 67 (was 99 in January) obviously the Diet is working!
My HBA1C is now 60 (was 76 in January and that was thanks to taking Morphine).
I am also taking Milk Thistle and began this in October last year when my ALT was 107 and GGT was 100, I don't think? the Milk Thistle is really responsible for lowering these levels, but I believe my change in diet? Though others will tend to differ with me!
But then we are all different. :)
 
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Liam1955 said:
Hi @lindisfel - I attended my Hospital Appointment this morning and I am pleased with my Blood Results. I have been following a Low Fat Diet since January of this year as instructed by the Liver Specialist. My ALT level is now 66 (was 102 in January) and my Gamma GT level is now 67 (was 99 in January) obviously the Diet is working!
My HBA1C is now 60 (was 76 in January and that was thanks to taking Morphine).
I am also taking Milk Thistle and began this in October last year when my ALT was 107 and GGT was 100, I don't think? the Milk Thistle is really responsible for lowering these levels, but I believe my change in diet? Though others will tend to differ with me!
But then we are all different. :)
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Hi liam, that is a great result. I can accept that in some cases low fat helps. One of the problems causing high liver enzymes is bile duct disease which high fat will not help. I must bear this in mind. best wishes Derek
 
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Liam1955 said:
Hi @lindisfel - I attended my Hospital Appointment this morning and I am pleased with my Blood Results. I have been following a Low Fat Diet since January of this year as instructed by the Liver Specialist. My ALT level is now 66 (was 102 in January) and my Gamma GT level is now 67 (was 99 in January) obviously the Diet is working!
My HBA1C is now 60 (was 76 in January and that was thanks to taking Morphine).
I am also taking Milk Thistle and began this in October last year when my ALT was 107 and GGT was 100, I don't think? the Milk Thistle is really responsible for lowering these levels, but I believe my change in diet? Though others will tend to differ with me!
But then we are all different. :)
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wow Liam that is soooooooooooooo fine so well done interesting.... I actually have a hard time eating all that fat ..., so maybe I´ll up my proteins instead... :)

what excactly is the essence of the diet .. how much carb and how much protein..?
 
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Just to update: Had another recent Blood Test for my Liver Function last week and got the results a few days ago. Nothing really impressive the ALT has slightly risen to 69 (in March it was 66) and the Gamma GT is now 65 (in March that was 67). My next appointment to see the Liver Specialist is at the end of July - if my numbers are below 50 and my Liver is less "fatty" he says he will discharge me as an Outpatient, but still got to follow the Low Fat Diet. And I believe He is arranging for me to have another Fibroscan soon.
I have purchased another batch of Milk Thistle Tablets and these are a much higher mg = 325mg. (Almost at an end of taking the 165mg existing Milk Thistle ones).

@Freema :), did you ever start taking the Milk Thistle?

And I am tagging @Looseboy who mentioned in one of his postings he had 'Fatty Liver' - so you can have a read on this Thread? :)
 
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Liam1955 said:
Just to update: Had another recent Blood Test for my Liver Function last week and got the results a few days ago. Nothing really impressive the ALT has slightly risen to 69 (in March it was 66) and the Gamma GT is now 65 (in March that was 67). My next appointment to see the Liver Specialist is at the end of July - if my numbers are below 50 and my Liver is less "fatty" he says he will discharge me as an Outpatient, but still got to follow the Low Fat Diet. And I believe He is arranging for me to have another Fibroscan soon.
I have purchased another batch of Milk Thistle Tablets and these are a much higher mg = 325mg. (Almost at an end of taking the 165mg existing Milk Thistle ones).

@Freema :), did you ever start taking the Milk Thistle?

And I am tagging @Looseboy who mentioned in one of his postings he had 'Fatty Liver' - so you can have a read on this Thread? :)
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Why do you have to follow a low fat diet? Edit: Just read back a bit and saw the doctor ordered low fat due to "cholesterol of 3.7". I'm guessing that's LDL.

Switching to low carb high fat did not change my cholesterol much (other than increasing my HDL and lowering my TG), but it did get my ALT from 62 to 19 in short order. Sorry for beating a dead horse.
 
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Liam1955 said:
Just to update: Had another recent Blood Test for my Liver Function last week and got the results a few days ago. Nothing really impressive the ALT has slightly risen to 69 (in March it was 66) and the Gamma GT is now 65 (in March that was 67). My next appointment to see the Liver Specialist is at the end of July - if my numbers are below 50 and my Liver is less "fatty" he says he will discharge me as an Outpatient, but still got to follow the Low Fat Diet. And I believe He is arranging for me to have another Fibroscan soon.
I have purchased another batch of Milk Thistle Tablets and these are a much higher mg = 325mg. (Almost at an end of taking the 165mg existing Milk Thistle ones).

@Freema :), did you ever start taking the Milk Thistle?

And I am tagging @Looseboy who mentioned in one of his postings he had 'Fatty Liver' - so you can have a read on this Thread? :)
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no I still have both bottles in my tin-box for all the arsenal of pills....I wanted to know how the high fat affected me first...my cholesterol has gone up a tiny bit and sadly my HDL a little down... but not so much that GP worries at all... so maybe I am ready for th milk thistle soon ;) actually I hate all this medication and vitamins it all adds up in the pillglass but maybe the milkthistle is worth trying

do you think it is Liam ?
 
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