Dr Mosley and the diet that reverses type 2 diabetes.

mogzilian

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
My understanding, from reading articles when 5:2 was first publicised, is that before attempting 5:2 Michael Mosley had a few high fasting results that his GP was keeping an eye on and then had a fasting result of 7.0 or 7.1, I can't remember which, and his GP was about to put him into medication. 5:2 brought his levels down and the HIT even more so.

I have been 5:2ing off and on for about 4 years and when on it, it works, my problem is that I stopped when my Mum died and sugar shot up, tipping into diabetic levels with an Hba1c of 49. With 5:2 alone this did drop to 46 in 3 weeks but it did get to the point where this was not enough and low carbing reduced it to 43 in October.

I have nothing to lose by giving this a go. I am on day 17 and going well. Fasting levels this week are lower than last week (5.5, 5.6, 5.6) and hopefully will be lower next week. Also my 7 day averages were 6.2 week 1, 6.1 week 2 and so far this week 5.9. I have lost 5.25 lbs giving me a total loss of 36.25lbs since starting 5:2 12 months ago.

If it doesn't work, then I know I have given it my best shot.

Yay! Go for it! Keep at it!
 

mogzilian

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
But try being really lean (and with a bmi of 19, 21 - that is really lean!) on 90% carbs - wo ho! Impossible, I would say.

After I did the Newcastle Diet with real food for two months I had to carry a cushion around so I could sit on hard chairs comfortably - and I had a bmi at that point of 22. And I cannot imagine getting even leaner and then sustaining that indefinitely! I couldn't, and I didn't. And I did not become non-diabetic, but in the prediabetic range. The same range I am in now low-carbing - but with a bmi of 24 (ish). And look - no cushion! Yay!

Telling folk to lose a lot of weight and get really lean, and then STAY really lean for the rest of their lives is easier said than done! If I was like Samantha in 'Bewitched' I would wiggle my nose and be skinny and non-diabetic - now that I would like! But going hungry to stay lean for.... ever! That is no nose wiggle....

How long had you been a diabetic before you started the Newcastle DIet?
 

mogzilian

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
I am a "thin" T2 and my BMI is 17.4. I lost one and three quarter stones when I cut out carbs after diagnosis, going from 8 and 3/4 stones to 7 stone. I have never been fat in my adult life, tubby in my pre and early teens but never since then. I can keep my glucose normalish by not eating any carbs (or virtually none) but if I eat any carbs it goes up. I had a liver and pancreas scan (just routine hospital one) and was told I don't have a fatty liver or pancreas and (virtually) no fat at all on my abdomen so not sure if I will be able to reverse my diabetes but I am sick of not being able to eat so many things. I am reading Dr Masleys book in the Daily Mail, might buy the book, to see if there is anything that might help me. I really don't have any weight to lose; well, maybe a very little, or I will be losing muscle and not fat!

I bought it too.. reading it now!
 

mogzilian

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Trust me, the current NHS isn't fit for purpose, in my view, but nor is making absolute statements about cure/reversal/remission. I think it would be useful for patients to understand the treatment options available to them, thereby allowing them informed choice.

A couple of months ago, I was speaking to a Consultant Endocrinologist, specialising in Diabetes and asked him if he had ever considered running an almost mirror programme to Professor Taylor's, thus offering willing participants the option to explore how far they could retrace their steps to diagnosis. His response was that people wouldn't want to do that. Lovely man, but I still wanted to throttle him.

LOl!
 

FloraDora

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Type of diabetes
I reversed my Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
hi , what r u eating ? Please share your diet.

Just finished my first week on this diet - very pleased.
Typical day's food - yoghurt with fruit for breakfast; sardine/cream cheese dip and veg for lunch; grilled chicken breast with white bean mash and green veg for dinner. Also had a couple of omelettes - the pea and spinach was very good, the portobello 'toast' was so yummy!
 
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AloeSvea

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Other
How long had you been a diabetic before you started the Newcastle DIet?

I did a version of the ND with real food 6-7 months after diagnosis. (I guess it's better to say I did a VLCD initially, and then LCD for the second month at my diabetes nurse's suggestion, due to energy needs). But I believe I had been an actual diabetic (based on when I had last had a blood lipid test done, and great insight into symptoms on looking back!) for about another year, or maybe even two before that. I had had insulin resistance for about 25 years before that (in hindsight also) to varying degrees.
 
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Bertiedog

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Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
The massive majority of T2s do not have the interest or conscious control (as opposed to managing control, based purely on NHS advice and meds). We, here, are the oddities.
I really agree with your statement. I run the local Fibromyalgia Group with around 80 members, the vast majority of very overweight and suffer with terrible symptoms. However, only a tiny minority are prepared to do anything to help themselves let alone change the way the eat which I am positive will lead them to an early death.

I find it so difficult knowing this and yet no matter how much information I might give them they just aren't really interested and would prefer to swallow vast quantities of very toxic drugs which don't even work well. I am positive that this food thing is a matter of addiction and I am reading a fascinating book from Dr David Perlmutter which states this as a fact.

At least with Moseley there is a chance that some of them might have actually watched the programme and this might spark their interest but in reality I tend to doubt it.
 

AloeSvea

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Goodness! This Michael Mosley is really getting around with his book! Got an email from Diabetes NZ today, and what do you know?

"Simon and Schuster, in conjunction with Paper Plus, are bringing Dr Michael Mosely to New Zealand for an exclusive event to promote his latest publication, “The Eight Week Blood Sugar Diet”. Join us as the author of the bestselling “The Fast Diet” reveals a game-changing approach to one of the greatest silent epidemics of our time – raised blood sugar levels.

Bring your friends and family and come prepared to learn some invaluable approaches to a healthier lifestyle. The ticket price includes a copy of the book “The Eight Week Blood Sugar Diet”, which contains a detailed eight week programme including menu plans to follow. Dr Mosley will be available to sign copies immediately following the event, as well as a question and answer session, where he will discuss the key elements of the book and how it can make a significant impact on your short and long-term health.

All proceeds from this function will go to Diabetes New Zealand Auckland to support their work in raising awareness of prediabetes and diabetes and supporting those affected."

I feel torn, as Diabetes NZ support the usual nonsense of 1/4 plate of carbs three times a day, and do not support low-carbing, actively. But here they are - supporting the principles of , via Mosley and his book - fasting, moderate to low carbing (I take it?) etc, etc, for a fee, which goes back to an organisation that does not support those principles. I am seriously confused here!

Part of living in 'interesting times' re nutrition and diabetes treatment? But it's all good as it gets the message out there?
 

poshtotty

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Go to the book launch and ask loads of probing questions and report back to us!! :)
 

AloeSvea

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Lol - for sure! The only thing is I will have to, you know - PAY! Talk about putting my money where my mouth is!;):).
 
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Rdgfootyfan

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I'm a newbie to the forum. I wondered if those folks following the Michael Moseley 8 week diabetes reversal diet had encountered any problems with lack of fibre etc? I want to try the diet but I'm loathe to cut out all bread and cereals as I derive much of my fibre from bran and wholemeal bread. I don't want to end up with constipation etc.
 

FloraDora

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Type of diabetes
I reversed my Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
I'm a newbie to the forum. I wondered if those folks following the Michael Moseley 8 week diabetes reversal diet had encountered any problems with lack of fibre etc? I want to try the diet but I'm loathe to cut out all bread and cereals as I derive much of my fibre from bran and wholemeal bread. I don't want to end up with constipation etc.
Does not seem to be a problem. Things are working OK
 

AloeSvea

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I would love to hear all about it if you go @AloeSvea Im sure you would give him a run for his money.

I'm seriously thinking about it! Just thinking about what would be the best way to do it.... (at public gatherings, especially if there are fans, and I am a 'mixed feelings fan' as you know :) - folks can get mighty upset if you start asking difficult questions! Not that I have um, had this happen before, er....;).) Also, I would rather not have to pay. I have the book tagged from the library and intend to read it. But how much do I want to help Doc Mosley's kids through uni when I have my own to help? Not much! At all! :D
 
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captainlynne

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Just finishing the 8 weeks on this plan on Saturday. Weight down 26 pounds, fasting BG from 10.9 to under 6 most days with the occasional 6. Never managed to get it under 7 previously. BP down. Lost 9 inches from waist, and one (nearly two) dress sizes. BMI down from 40.9 to 36.2. Feel great, more energy, thinking more clearly. It works for me, so I'm happy.
 
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