I'm getting a bit cross with Dr Trudi Deakin

[Bluetit1802]

There are quite a few side effects of Trudy Deakin's ketogenic diet. See http://www.thepaleomom.com/2015/05/adverse-reactions-to-ketogenic-diets-caution-advised.html Scroll down for the list.

and possibly most of these side effects stem from not doing it properly, and not taking care to consume adequate vits and minerals.

 

[ickihun]

and possibly most of these side effects stem from not doing it properly, and not taking care to consume adequate vits and minerals.

Maybe they should teach the alternative to eatwell plate in school. Like religious studies cover many religions. So should cookery.

 

[Indy51]

There are quite a few side effects of Trudy Deakin's ketogenic diet. See http://www.thepaleomom.com/2015/05/adverse-reactions-to-ketogenic-diets-caution-advised.html Scroll down for the list.

Firstly, it's not "Trudi Deakin's ketogenic diet". The diet has been around for as long as mankind.

Most of the studies that the paleo mom refers to are based on the older style keto diet for children with epilepsy - it was never formulated for proper nutrition, only to achieve ketosis. Often the children were administered ghastly industrial seed oil mixes, etc. Hardly a fair assessment of a modern, real food version of a properly formulated ketogenic diet.

I used to have a lot of time for Sarah Ballantyne until she wrote this alarmist garbage blogpost - no more

She's yet another person who trashed their body eating a processed food version of Atkins and now blames the diet for every ill that ever happened to them - she's the one who did it wrong in the first place!

 

[Oldvatr]

I tried Death, but it wasn't much fun.


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I tried Death too, but my cheque bounced - twice.


As pointed out previously, if you read the Metformin leaflet you will see similar warnings. I frightened the s***t out of myself with the medication I had to take for simple UTI that had been caused by another of my meds (and that med itself now has an FDA and ADA warning slapped on it)

I agree that this diet needs more studies carried out, and it is necessary to be aware of possible shortcomings in the diet. Hypercholestemia is certainly a rare hereditary condition that can lead to complications when going keto, and this is advice that we should not shirk from discussing.

I note the diet she was discussing involved fasting for up to 3 weeks, and for me this would seem to be excessive. I note that LCHF itself does not advocate fasting per se, but Jason Fung seems to be moving in that direction. Perhaps we need a new name for it? A Diabetes variant?

 

[ickihun]

I call my diet the lchf variant. I'm tweeking to get the best out of it, for me. I need my diet to be kind on bgs and help me lose weight. Hence my variant.
Like you've pointed out diets are used worldwide to assist medical conditions.
The goldren rule must be 'one size doesn't fit all.'
Hence no diet will fit all so why are we condemning specialists who still make that same mistake.
Ok. We all recognise the nutrients we need to survive. Fasting is depriving yourself of those nutrients. What good will come of that?
I bet if a survey done on newly diagnosed type2s they will majority acclaim they have fasted in the past to shed weight.
Fasting can be dangerous without been monitored properly. A lot more younger posters are joining the forums with type2. Lets not advocate fasting unless we are really sure it can help!

 

[Brunneria]

I am happy to advocate fasting - providing people do the legwork/research for themselves, understand what they are doing, and are sensible.

Of course, that applies to any dietary change.

Sadly, if people are unwilling or unable to do that legwork/research then they will just blunder about making mistakes and blaming the fasting (or whatever dietary change).

To quote Jason Fung, fasting has been done in every culture, and every religion for 1000s of years - and we are still here.
It is just an ignorant modern knee-jerk reaction that makes people flinch and whisper 'but you can't miss a meal, that would be terrible!'
They clearly haven't done the research, have they?

 

[ickihun]

@Brunneria I totally agree.
The work posters have done to determine that is what is needed for THEM is overwelming.
I'm just a little concerned for not so intelligent suffers who, when desperate will do extreme fasting.
Warnings should be always posted to make it clear HOW to fast safely. Unfortuntely it is a dangerous ground, for some.
Desperate people do desperate things.

 

[ickihun]

In Sky news this morning a Dr Iqbal Malik (consultant cardiologist) stated in animal studies longevity is liked to successful fasting and good heart health. Nutrition isn't always the answer. That's me told eh!

 

[SueMG]

I don't have type 2 diabetes and probably never will have. But my nephew is type 1 and so is my ex-sister in law's son and I have friends who have type 2.

From everyone's posts I understand that the low carb diet allows you to control your symptoms better. However you still have type 2 diabetes. What if there was a way to eat that reversed your diabetes, so that you were no longer diabetic? Would you be interested?

 

[zand]

I know I am not diabetic and frankly I never will be. But my nephew is type 1 and so is my ex-sister in law's son and I have friends who have type 2.

From everyone's posts I understand that the low carb diet allows you to control your symptoms better. However you still have type 2 diabetes. What if there was a way to eat that reversed your diabetes, so that you were no longer diabetic? Would you be interested?

How do you know that you never will be diabetic? Is it because you follow NHS healthy eating guidelines, exercise regularly and are slim?

Are you trying to sell us something that will supposedly cure us all?

 

[SunnyExpat]

I don't have type 2 diabetes and probably never will have. But my nephew is type 1 and so is my ex-sister in law's son and I have friends who have type 2.

From everyone's posts I understand that the low carb diet allows you to control your symptoms better. However you still have type 2 diabetes. What if there was a way to eat that reversed your diabetes, so that you were no longer diabetic? Would you be interested?

The Newcastle diet seems to have achieved this for many.

 

[JohnEGreen]

Are you trying to sell us something that will supposedly cure us all?

Does seem that way. There seems to be an endless supply of people with miracle cures out there.

 

[Pipp]

@Brunneria I totally agree.
The work posters have done to determine that is what is needed for THEM is overwelming.
I'm just a little concerned for not so intelligent suffers who, when desperate will do extreme fasting.
Warnings should be always posted to make it clear HOW to fast safely. Unfortuntely it is a dangerous ground, for some.
Desperate people do desperate things.

@ickihun I have lost count, (and almost the will to live sometimes) of the times I have posted in here to discourage newly diagnosed T2s from recklessly diving into what many have called 'my own version of Newcastle diet'. So many people seem to see a tabloid Newspaper report on someone who has lost a lot of weight, or see a 'celebrity' having done so by one or another method, and they follow like sheep. Or they 'cherry pick' the bits of a particular eating regime, and ignore the bits they don't like.

Not that I am against Newcastle diet. It probably saved me from all sorts of nasty complications. I did spend many months checking out the research, and applying it to my own individual circumstances, particularly the other health conditions. Just wish people would remove their blinkers and do a bit of homework before rushing in.

 

[KevinPotts]

In Sky news this morning a Dr Iqbal Malik (consultant cardiologist) stated in animal studies longevity is liked to successful fasting and good heart health. Nutrition isn't always the answer. That's me told eh!

Sabatini the guy who has shaped mTor research, also subscribes to this from empirical research...he ventures to hypothesise that total life mortality is reduced in people who fast by way of a regular habit.

There is a video in Youtube of him presenting this - just 5 minutes from Cambridge, New England I think.


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[NoCrbs4Me]

I don't have type 2 diabetes and probably never will have. But my nephew is type 1 and so is my ex-sister in law's son and I have friends who have type 2.

From everyone's posts I understand that the low carb diet allows you to control your symptoms better. However you still have type 2 diabetes. What if there was a way to eat that reversed your diabetes, so that you were no longer diabetic? Would you be interested?

So are you saying you have invented a temporary, short term diet that cures type 2 diabetes, then you can go back to eating as much unhealthy processed **** food you want and never get diabetes again? Cool - please tell us!

 

[IanD]

Did you ever question her diet before she was advocating LCHF? Or devote this much time debating it?

I did the X-PERT course & a "refresher" after I had gained control. I wrote to her:

(my letter of March 2014)
One page in the Manual bothered me, & when I pointed it out, the leader suggested I write to you. I've waited a further 18 months, but here I am.

Version 7, page 28 - “Comparison of Low Fat & High Fat Diet.” That page is a gross caricature of the sort of high fat diet recommended by those of us who have successfully used a low carbohydrate, high fat diet to gain control of our condition. Any diet undertaken for medical reasons will control calories & a 4420 Kcal DIET is nonsense. [she included pastries]

The Low Fat Diet likewise suggests vastly more carbohydrate than the 130 g now recommended by the Hounslow dietitian, & suggested as a minimum on page 51. Reducing the High Fat Diet to the same calorie intake as the Low Fat, by portion control, would give a reasonable ratio. That page needs rewriting to give a proper comparison of the diets.

I wasn't the only one to write - I know of others. The rest is history.

 

[SunnyExpat]

So are you saying you have invented a temporary, short term diet that cures type 2 diabetes, then you can go back to eating as much unhealthy processed **** food you want and never get diabetes again? Cool - please tell us!

So, if you were truly cured, your preference is to go back to your previous unhealthy diet?
I must be honest, there is more to life than diabetes, and I can't understand the preoccupation with trying to get back to eating junk whenever this comes up, so I personally would think that would be a mistake, but each to his own.

 

[hankjam]

So, if you were truly cured, your preference is to go back to your previous unhealthy diet?
I must be honest, there is more to life than diabetes, and I can't understand the preoccupation with trying to get back to eating junk whenever this comes up, so I personally would think that would be a mistake, but each to his own.

I maybe wrong but I don't think @NoCrbs4Me meant that all from the tone of his response... and I've been wrong before....

 

[catherinecherub]

So, if you were truly cured, your preference is to go back to your previous unhealthy diet?
I must be honest, there is more to life than diabetes, and I can't understand the preoccupation with trying to get back to eating junk whenever this comes up, so I personally would think that would be a mistake, but each to his own.

I agree with @hankjam, @NoCrbs4Me posted in response to a cure being offered. Not everyone was on a junk diet before being diagnosed with Type2.

 

[SunnyExpat]

So you'd be fine going back to your previous healthy diet?
I know I wouldn't eat the way I did before, I considered it a warning, now I'm a lot healthier.
I guess for both of us, the question isn't relevant then?