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There is a cure.. how come nobody does this?

douglas99 said:
That's an interesting point.
I did about a year of slow dieting, which did greatly improve my diabetes, but it wasn't until I finished it off on the Newcastle diet that I actually appeared to reverse my type 2.
There does appear to be some difference in how the body reacts to the differing methodology.
The op touched on this earlier.
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Well well I have tried the 16/8 model for 3-4 month But more extended fastings I haven't tried But I'll keep loosing weight another 15 kg to go and try to get a BMI of about 18-20. Maybe when getting closer to that goal I can do an 8 weeks fasting . Now I excercise so much that I need to eat much more than 1000 calories a day in average to keep on having the motivation and energy to the very hard muscle work , I want to get much stronger and also build more muscle mass and in average I do use about 4500-5000 calories just on excercising a week , so my true level in average is about 1600 calories a day at the moment and loosing about 1kg a week .... But there will be a time where I am close to not having more obvious fat to loose and Then 8 weeks of starvation maybe could do the miracle as internal fat would be used too then .

I have tried Real starving for 6-7 month years ago and must say it is nothing I long for in any way to experience again But worth a try anyway if it is only 8-10 weeks
 
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The subjects in the Newcastle study seemed to have lost 15.3 kg on average, and while no starting weight seems to have been given, it's been alleged they were chosen as they were obese, and examples of patients who would have been referred for bariatric surgery, so possibly not that high a percentage weight loss individually.
The further suggestion based on the study was that type patients to lose 15 to 20% of body weight, with hopefully the same result.
Personally, I lost around that, both in weight and percentage initially, slowly, with no marked reversal. Still a definite improvement though.
Losing quickly on the Newcastle diet did have the desired effect.

The further, larger, ongoing study shall be interesting when the results are known.
 
Djstevesire said:
1. So your saying since you don't choose to use this method.. that No one else should be helped with it? That's kinda selfish..

2. Why and how you you become musclebound? Do you think people just become musclebound? Please share that with me.. last time I checked it takes years of dedicated hard work.

3.you want to not do it that's fine. I HAVE NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT..I could care less what you do with your body...my original question was why aren't people using this? I was wondering why would people not use a method that has a good chance of working..

I never said it was the best or only way.
I actually didn't say anything about it..
But these are the replies I'm getting..
It literally makes NO sense..
why are some you guys so offended.
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That would be because we are already using a method which already WORKS, Low Carb Healthy Fat! I have had enough of your proselytising! I am leaving this argument...because that is what it is becoming.
 
Pinkorchid said:
Has anyone here thought that what the OP is suggesting might work for some diabetics and get them the results they would like to have. We can't say it won't work because we simply do not know that
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Of course we have Pinkorchid (love your nameBTW) We were objecting to his method of disseminating it! It makes me wonder what sort of bully he is in real life!
 
Noted that this forum has a history of one topic wonders who claim some form of absolute knowledge.

Usually they go away after a while.
 
LittleGreyCat said:
Noted that this forum has a history of one topic wonders who claim some form of absolute knowledge.

Usually they go away after a while.
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Thankfully they do..........

And usually after they realise their "wonder cure" doesn't work..........
 
Well, it must be disconcerting for those on the forum that have cured themselves on the Newcastle Diet to read your edict that they're not cured after all.
 
I am able to eat what I want now .. but like a broken nose .. it is possible to happen again ... and if it returns then I am better prepared to sorting out this time ... broken nose and T2 ..
 
Enclave said:
I am able to eat what I want now .. but like a broken nose .. it is possible to happen again ... and if it returns then I am better prepared to sorting out this time ... broken nose and T2 ..
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Yes, I trod on a nail once, many years ago, and had to get it pulled out in a&e.
My foot is now only in 'remission' according to some, if I tread on a nail again, it'll still go back in.

LittleGreyCat said:
Noted that this forum has a history of one topic wonders who claim some form of absolute knowledge.

Usually they go away after a while.
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The sort of bully who sees you drop a tenner, runs up to give it you back, and you tell him it couldn't possibly be yours, because you couldn't be that careless, and how very dare he suggest it?
 
Come on guys. Let's keep all this civil.

It's been a robust discussion so far. Let's not push it over the edge.

This post is a general post; not targeted towards any particular poster.
 
My HbA1c's have all been under 40 for the past 9 years, that according to your premise makes me a non diabetic.........except that I still have to take my insulin as without it.........................so "cured" I am not............
 
I have no problem with anyone saying they are cured. I have no way to judge it to be true or not. And for all who say they are I think it's fantastic that you have found a solution to your illness
What ticks me off is when someone claims those who are not "cured" because they are not trying hard enough!!
That's all I'll say in this matter.
 
zand said:
You may not feel superior, but the OP certainly does. I have no argument with you (this time) douglas lol, just the OP's claim that he has found the cure for all of us.
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Please show where I made any claims?
I asked a question.. I don't understand where you came with this superiority thing.. I haven't said anything to provoke you or yoj
douglas99 said:
Yes, I trod on a nail once, many years ago, and had to get it pulled out in a&e.
My foot is now only in 'remission' according to some, if I tread on a nail again, it'll still go back in.



The sort of bully who sees you drop a tenner, runs up to give it you back, and you tell him it couldn't possibly be yours, because you couldn't be that careless, and how very dare he suggest it?
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Thank you for this comment..
I came across something that I thought would possibly help somebody and had some thoughts on maybe making it work better..

For the most part I've been called names.. for asking a question.

I believe the way people view things is a true reflection of themselves..
Why would anyone "feel superior" and how would I be a bully by asking a straight forward question..

I never made any claims nor did I speak badly of anyone.

I see a some believe that since they feel (without actually doing the diet) that it won't work for them ... so In thier opionin NOBODY should be made aware. In that same line of thought since you can't excerise , don't tell people exercise helps, either.. and if anything new comes out don't share it casue it doesn't help your particular case.. I will never understand that mindset..

There is a crisis in this country with diabetes on the rise and although SOME may have really complicated hormonal cases. I believe the majority doesn't. And in my eyes if ANYONE can be helped by this method I believe it should be made more public.

Anyway a couple points I wouldn't like to add..

From my understanding it wasn't the actually weight loss but the SUDDEN lack of calories that triggered the body.
They claimed that during the first week bg levels went back to normal. I'm sure weight loss helps mainly removing visceral fat. But also the sudden drop in calories has something to do with it.. as stated in the study..
This is something that should be investigated further imho. Also the possible effects of autophagy.

I've also read A case about a man who did this diet for 11 days.. he was slender to start.. and had to drop down 11stone to 8 stone 13lbs (Seems scary for a guy)but this method has worked for him as well..


To clear up any misconceptions
Am I saying this is the only way? NO.
Never did.
am I saying the research showed it to be effective? YES
Am I saying it need to be revised and made more public?Absolutely.

The human body is remarkable machine built to survive.. don't ever forget that..
 
Djstevesire said:
Please show where I made any claims?
I asked a question.. I don't understand where you came with this superiority thing.. I haven't said anything to provoke you or yoj



Thank you for this comment..
I came across something that I thought would possibly help somebody and had some thoughts on maybe making it work better..

For the most part I've been called names.. for asking a question.

I believe the way people view things is a true reflection of themselves..
Why would anyone "feel superior" and how would I be a bully by asking a straight forward question..

I never made any claims nor did I speak badly of anyone.

I see a some believe that since they feel (without actually doing the diet) that it won't work for them ... so In thier opionin NOBODY should be made aware. In that same line of thought since you can't excerise , don't tell people exercise helps, either.. and if anything new comes out don't share it casue it doesn't help your particular case.. I will never understand that mindset..

There is a crisis in this country with diabetes on the rise and although SOME may have really complicated hormonal cases. I believe the majority doesn't. And in my eyes if ANYONE can be helped by this method I believe it should be made more public.

Anyway a couple points I wouldn't like to add..

From my understanding it wasn't the actually weight loss but the SUDDEN lack of calories that triggered the body.
They claimed that during the first week bg levels went back to normal. I'm sure weight loss helps mainly removing visceral fat. But also the sudden drop in calories has something to do with it.. as stated in the study..
This is something that should be investigated further imho. Also the possible effects of autophagy.

I've also read A case about a man who did this diet for 11 days.. he was slender to start.. and had to drop down 11stone to 8 stone 13lbs (Seems scary for a guy)but this method has worked for him as well..


To clear up any misconceptions
Am I saying this is the only way? NO.
Never did.
am I saying the research showed it to be effective? YES
Am I saying it need to be revised and made more public?Absolutely.

The human body is remarkable machine built to survive.. don't ever forget that..
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This line is what got me......


"If anyone says they have tried thismethod and it was unsuccessful I would say they didn't do it correctly... this isn't about low carbdieting or losing worthy for thatmatter..."
 
It would be interesting to poll who had done the diet, who has done variants, ie, food rather than shakes, low carb rather than original 'carby' shakes, added fat, increased calorie versions, longer slower weight loss, etc, and see what the results have been for each group.

We'd have enough members on this forum to put that to bed.
 
douglas99 said:
It would be interesting to poll who had done the diet, who has done variants, ie, food rather than shakes, low carb rather than original 'carby' shakes, added fat, increased calorie versions, longer slower weight loss, etc, and see what the results have been for each group though.

We'd have enough members on this forum to put that to bed.
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I know for me, I have PCOS and iI am extremely insulin resistant. And with that I gained a lot of weight. With the high fat low carb eating it has made it much easier to lose weight and become much more sensitive to insulin. The more weight I loose the better my BG is. With every ten pounds I loose I have come down .5 in my FBG. 50 pounds so far.
I don't restrict my calories just my carb intake. No grains at all. No root veggies. Limited protien
A lot of fat. This is what worked for me. I am full, lighter and happier.
 
Djstevesire said:
Please show where I made any claims?
I asked a question.. I don't understand where you came with this superiority thing.. I haven't said anything to provoke you or yoj



Thank you for this comment..
I came across something that I thought would possibly help somebody and had some thoughts on maybe making it work better..

For the most part I've been called names.. for asking a question.

I believe the way people view things is a true reflection of themselves..
Why would anyone "feel superior" and how would I be a bully by asking a straight forward question..

I never made any claims nor did I speak badly of anyone.

I see a some believe that since they feel (without actually doing the diet) that it won't work for them ... so In thier opionin NOBODY should be made aware. In that same line of thought since you can't excerise , don't tell people exercise helps, either.. and if anything new comes out don't share it casue it doesn't help your particular case.. I will never understand that mindset..

There is a crisis in this country with diabetes on the rise and although SOME may have really complicated hormonal cases. I believe the majority doesn't. And in my eyes if ANYONE can be helped by this method I believe it should be made more public.

Anyway a couple points I wouldn't like to add..

From my understanding it wasn't the actually weight loss but the SUDDEN lack of calories that triggered the body.
They claimed that during the first week bg levels went back to normal. I'm sure weight loss helps mainly removing visceral fat. But also the sudden drop in calories has something to do with it.. as stated in the study..
This is something that should be investigated further imho. Also the possible effects of autophagy.

I've also read A case about a man who did this diet for 11 days.. he was slender to start.. and had to drop down 11stone to 8 stone 13lbs (Seems scary for a guy)but this method has worked for him as well..


To clear up any misconceptions
Am I saying this is the only way? NO.
Never did.
am I saying the research showed it to be effective? YES
Am I saying it need to be revised and made more public?Absolutely.

The human body is remarkable machine built to survive.. don't ever forget that..
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djstevesire, if you use the forum search functionality, you will see this diet has been discussed extensively historically. It's usually referred to as the Newcastle Diet or sometimes just very low calorie.
 
You know what @Djstevesire, many of the posts have not dismissed out of hand some of your comments, it is maybe the delivery which left room for an interpretation of implied blame. As our diabetic journeys are full of emotion, pain and enforced changes, let's face it we are told we could loose our, eyesight, extremities, our life prematurely, so we are coming from a place of vulnerability. where society tends to blame T2's routinely, when in general we have just done what everyone has. I agree with the sentiment that the Newcastle Diet (and I will add LCHF and fasting (I don't know enough about vegetarian and vegan variations)) should be on the option list for diabetics - why ever not. I think back and my fbg was circa 20, within a week I got this to 16, even though I my diet was wrong, I was still put on Metformin, rather than given the correct information to thrive.

I am glad the thread was allowed to continue, as I have learned from all who have taken part, although painful in parts, diabetes is bigger than anything that has been said. I still make mistakes with posts, but I read posts for about 6 weeks before posting; I was able to get a picture of some of the struggles others have. You, I and many others are lucky that our regime works and for us, every morning I read the stories of those putting in similar efforts and having a really hard time it is a shared pain.
 
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