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Beta cell function improves after bariatric surgery study.

zand said:
I got as far as 'a 27 year old male....' .
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Indeed but he lost 19 stone in just over a year through medically supervised fasting. I was just showing an example of what was possible not making a recommendation.
 
bulkbiker said:
Indeed but he lost 19 stone in just over a year through medically supervised fasting. I was just showing an example of what was possible not making a recommendation.
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I would love the chance to do this, if only to show my doctors and the rest of the world that I don't cheat and that weightloss is extremely difficult for some of us.
 
zand said:
I would love the chance to do this, if only to show my doctors and the rest of the world that I don't cheat and that weightloss is extremely difficult for some of us.
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One of the guys on the ketogenic forums has just (today) broken a 46 day fast. He lost just over 2 stone (31 pounds I think) and has compiled a detailed diary of what he did and how he felt. It's quite inspiring (although there is a bit of religion..which I found slightly unnecessary.. ) but a good read.
 
Jamesuk9 said:
Personally, I'd at least give it a good go before considering invasive surgery.
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yeh, but if all you drink is water and tea and the occasional sparking mineral water at the moment ;)...... Some of us have already done these sensible things years ago and not lost any weight. I'm not arguing that giving up fizzy drink isn't a great idea, I just want to put it out there that we don't all do the wrong things yet we still can't lose weight. Losing weight is hard work for some of us
 
zand said:
yeh, but if all you drink is water and tea and the occasional sparking mineral water at the moment ;)...... Some of us have already done these sensible things years ago and not lost any weight. I'm not arguing that giving up fizzy drink isn't a great idea, I just want to put it out there that we don't all do the wrong things yet we still can't lose weight. Losing weight is hard work for some of us
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Completely understand. I have the opposite. I can lose weight easily but gaining after overshooting my target significantly through not tracking the loss is proving really difficult. Especially without increasing carbs.
 
bulkbiker said:
One of the guys on the ketogenic forums has just (today) broken a 46 day fast. He lost just over 2 stone (31 pounds I think) and has compiled a detailed diary of what he did and how he felt. It's quite inspiring (although there is a bit of religion..which I found slightly unnecessary.. ) but a good read.
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I would only do this under strict medical supervision. I am happy with my 16:8 IF, but I won't let my calorie intake go below 1200 (no maximum) as I find my metabolism just shuts down. Fasting and losing weight is the easy bit. Living and not putting it back on afterwards is the tough part. I had a friend who did a full fast for 40 days (yep religion again) she was fine, lost a couple of stone, but less than a year later she was heavier than when she started.

I lost a couple of stones slowly with LCHF. Three years later that weight hasn't come back. I am trying new things now to lose more, what I do not want to do is yo-yo diet again.
 
Through all my experience and experimenting with fasting and reading different accounts of how to do prolonged fasting or intermittent fasting as a weight loss regime.
There is always another way of approaching different fasting methods.
There are so many different ways, and one size doesn't fit all because of lifestyle and necessity.
You must plan these fast properly and use your glucometer to guide your journey through the fast. If not, it is a waste of time and effort.
Circumstances dictate how and you must be prepared for all eventualities and have someone near to watch and work with you and be there to help and check everything with you. Some people can be bullish when taking these fasts on and won't stop until it isn't necessary to do so.
It can harm you!

Because of my working life, I cannot do the prolonged fasting but I include intermittent fasting as a norm. I do not eat regularly now, no set times and I'm never hungry! So I use food to give me the nutrition I need not to fill my belly!

I remember my first ever four day fast in hospital and the brain waking up and the extra energy that I got from not eating. Getting rid of the excess insulin and glucose was truly brilliant! I have never felt so good (except for footie) and (my kids and grandkids!) The surge of energy when waking is something I treasure every morning before I eat my brekkie, whatever time it is!
 
zand said:
what I do not want to do is yo-yo diet again
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Me neither but I have found that doing the same thing all the time can lead to stagnation so to give my weight loss a boost I try to mix up longer fasts with feasting periods. Again this has been gleaned from the ketogenic forums. The feasting lets the body know that food is around and the fasts tend to speed up the metabolism slightly too. I'm only in my first week so will report back later on.
 
There is a good analysis of fasting, bariatric surgery and low carb diets in this video by Jason Fung.
Jason has had a lot of success using fasting, getting many diatbetic patients off medication and dropping a huge amount of weight in just a few weeks. Jason described bariatric surgery as "a period of acute profound calorific reduction" which reduces fat in the liver and pancreas and restoration of beta cell function (22:54 into the video). Fasting is also a period of calorific reduction and Jason has had similar results to bariatric surgery just with fasting.
 
zand said:
I would only do this under strict medical supervision. I am happy with my 16:8 IF, but I won't let my calorie intake go below 1200 (no maximum) as I find my metabolism just shuts down. Fasting and losing weight is the easy bit. Living and not putting it back on afterwards is the tough part. I had a friend who did a full fast for 40 days (yep religion again) she was fine, lost a couple of stone, but less than a year later she was heavier than when she started.

I lost a couple of stones slowly with LCHF. Three years later that weight hasn't come back. I am trying new things now to lose more, what I do not want to do is yo-yo diet again.
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Sometimes, you can let food dominate your waking hours. This is not how I am now!
Food is there, but I need motivation to do so now, so IF is a norm, as long as I very low carb, nothing prevents me from not eating.
A change in thinking has been instrumental in how I live my life.
As you know @zand, my footie, diverts my attention away from going to the kitchen regularly. It is a way of saying, do I really need to eat now or later, rather than its dinner time!
I hope you see what I'm getting at!
 
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