Beta cell function improves after bariatric surgery study.

[ickihun]

It's doable for sure....

http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/26/mum-l...nd-replacing-fizzy-drinks-with-water-6152580/

I did the same at 15yr old. I just had firmaloss milkshake one a day and coffee. I lost 7st but I'm 31yrs older now with underactive thyroid too.
I used slimming tablets to do IVF in 20yrs ago but my heart cannot sustain them, these days.
I've exercised to excess pre IVF weight loss. I've starved. I've do cabbage soup diet. Now lchf diet.
I don't lose weight anymore. I lose then add.
Well. I've stalled after 8kg weight loss. (Thyroxine med was too strong, now correct level).
Will be skiping meals once on a basal injection to cover insulin resistance. It may help!

 

[ickihun]

I don't think that would work for me.

Nor me @Jamesuk9 . Not now. I tried milkshakes before lchf and I added weight.

 

[DavidGrahamJones]

Great news for type 2 none insulin users.

I don't think I want to "bypass" anything, I already have a low calorie low carb diet (< 1200 cals and < 40 gms carb), the thought of eating many small meals isn't appealing or that convenient. Dumping doesn't sound like much fun either, especially in the checkout queue of my local Sainsbury.

Is the sleeve like the band or are they different?

 

[ickihun]

Because the preparation for bariatric surgery is a liver detox @Art Of Flowers . It awakes the beta cells due to the liver performing well. Unstiffled by fatty liver or a glucose filled liver.

The liver shrinks for bariatric surgery. It has to to get to stomach.

 

[ickihun]

I don't think I want to "bypass" anything, I already have a low calorie low carb diet (< 1200 cals and < 40 gms carb), the thought of eating many small meals isn't appealing or that convenient. Dumping doesn't sound like much fun either, especially in the checkout queue of my local Sainsbury.

Is the sleeve like the band or are they different?

A different cut and leaves stomach a different shape. Y op more successful in reversing none insulin dependant diabetics. Just statistics, not been invedtigated into why.

 

[ickihun]

I'm going to concentrate on improving my liver and see if it aids my weight loss.
Every specialist blames carbs for fatty liver. Is it as simple as no carbs to resolve and awake the beta cells like bariatric surgery?

 

[DavidGrahamJones]

Just statistics, not been invedtigated into why.

When I was recommended bariatric surgery several years ago I had asked the dietetic specialists at the Support Group Meeting why there was an improvement in BG and they didn't know then, they seem to know a bit more now. At that time patients were liquidizing mars bars and ice cream to get their calorie intake up to 1200, although I used to check out some of the US forums and they were only eating 800 cals. This was several years ago and things have changed, especially on the liquidiser front.

By coincidence, some years after that, I was later referred for consideration for bariatric surgery as a box ticking exercise (GP said she couldn't investigate the failure of calorie reduction/increased exercise to lose weight unless I had considered surgery). I subjected myself to an interview with a psychiatrist and dietetic specialist, who happened to be the same one as at the Support Group. their conclusion was that I had a weight problem not an eating problem (I framed the letter) and my BMI was too low for surgery anyway, not that I wanted surgery as my calorie intake was lower than those having surgery. It showed me that basically they were using bariatric surgery to stop people from eating so much, not exactly for weight loss.

I have great sympathy for anyone struggling to eat less and having followed different regimes over the years but what I found was that perseverance has led to me being more disciplined and able to do what I have to do. I do have my days when all I want to do is eat all the wrong things and even then I can control myself. It's not impossible. I'm tempted to say if I can do it anyone can, but .....

Done a bit more digging and they consider the sleeve to be the first step of the bypass although from what I've read surgery for the sleeve actually removes part of the stomach after they staple it to reduce its size. With the bypass they staple the stomach and leave it and then bypass part of the small intestine.

So the sleeve will be irreversible whereas I have read that bypass surgery is although it obviously must need some plumbing changes the stomach stapled off is still there.

 

[Freema]

I would only do this under strict medical supervision. I am happy with my 16:8 IF, but I won't let my calorie intake go below 1200 (no maximum) as I find my metabolism just shuts down. Fasting and losing weight is the easy bit. Living and not putting it back on afterwards is the tough part. I had a friend who did a full fast for 40 days (yep religion again) she was fine, lost a couple of stone, but less than a year later she was heavier than when she started.

I lost a couple of stones slowly with LCHF. Three years later that weight hasn't come back. I am trying new things now to lose more, what I do not want to do is yo-yo diet again.

It seems womens metabolism has a greater tendency towards going down in between exercise maybe to save calories also here the male composition seems to be more straight forward in being able to loose weight also when not excercising ... going back in natural historie those two different body strategies must have been beneficial for the human groups maybe so women could go longer with less food and feed her children first

 

[Art Of Flowers]

After watching the documentary "Eat, fast, live longer" by Dr Michael Moseley I got the impression that there is a difference between fasting and calorific reduction. Both can help you lose weight, but fasting puts the body into a "self healing" mode where it repairs itself. The analogy they used in the film was it was like taking your car for a service.

Bariatric surgery forces severe calorific reduction and can be a life saver for those severely obese. However, as a therapy for type 2 diabetes most people would be better off using a combination of low carb diet and intermittent fasting.

 

[zand]

Sometimes, you can let food dominate your waking hours. This is not how I am now!
Food is there, but I need motivation to do so now, so IF is a norm, as long as I very low carb, nothing prevents me from not eating.
A change in thinking has been instrumental in how I live my life.
As you know @zand, my footie, diverts my attention away from going to the kitchen regularly. It is a way of saying, do I really need to eat now or later, rather than its dinner time!
I hope you see what I'm getting at!

Yes I think so. There's a difference between you and me though. You have lost the weight, I haven't, that's why I think about what food I eat, I still need to lose alot of weight and still haven't found the right food/exercise formula to do so. I'm feeling pretty down today as I had my normal amount of food and water yesterday and this morning I have put on 1.5 pounds and my fasting BG is up. The only difference was that yesterday I took a gentle walk along a canal (just over two and a half miles) I thought I was taking it at a gentle pace, but obviously not gentle enough. grrrrr.

 

[Freema]

Yes I think so. There's a difference between you and me though. You have lost the weight, I haven't, that's why I think about what food I eat, I still need to lose alot of weight and still haven't found the right food/exercise formula to do so. I'm feeling pretty down today as I had my normal amount of food and water yesterday and this morning I have put on 1.5 pounds and my fasting BG is up. The only difference was that yesterday I took a gentle walk along a canal (just over two and a half miles) I thought I was taking it at a gentle pace, but obviously not gentle enough. grrrrr.

maybe we should have us a testosterone shot I think I lost more easily because I can build mucle more easily than most women... I think getting stronger bigger muscles is an effective strategy and one can do that at home and more slow than most people think
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[ickihun]

I used to have testesterone from pcos but the scan a few weeks back showed hardly any polycystic ovarian disease, yet I'm highly insulin dependant. Unless metformin and insulin have resolved it? Metformin normally does for me. I think 2 pregnancies can settle your hormone production down too.
I still have hirsutism thou. I'm not going to wish testesterone back, no way.

 

[serenity648]

I dont know how old you are, but peri-menopause and menopause can help resolve/cure the pcos, or at least reduce its affect, even if your hormone levels seem to have not yet changed.

 

[kokhongw]

I would have to fast off and on for 40yrs @Art Of Flowers for the same result of 9st loss.
Show me evidence of people who have lost 9st on ND or IF.

Check out her Keto story....she didn't have to cycle across US either...

Amazing couple

 

[Lamont D]

Yes I think so. There's a difference between you and me though. You have lost the weight, I haven't, that's why I think about what food I eat, I still need to lose alot of weight and still haven't found the right food/exercise formula to do so. I'm feeling pretty down today as I had my normal amount of food and water yesterday and this morning I have put on 1.5 pounds and my fasting BG is up. The only difference was that yesterday I took a gentle walk along a canal (just over two and a half miles) I thought I was taking it at a gentle pace, but obviously not gentle enough. grrrrr.

I really do feel for you!
Don't forget, I had over a couple of decades, this century and last that my weight went up despite being on my feet, working and everything else. I had a normal day worked out for me and I did an average of eight kilometres a day and I was on a recommended diet, it was wrong but I still put the pounds on!
I have stopped losing weight, mere ounces up and down, I can't get below twelve stone tho, despite all my trials and tribulations. Trying to get it going down and losing the visceral fat that my endocrinologist just doesn't like on me!
I know you are going to say, I wish I was twelve stone and I'm ****** at my body and how food affects your health and daily life!
I know I've been there!
We do have to find that balance and find those foods that do the damage and just eliminate them from our diet.
There is alternatives, but can we maintain it and at what cost to our sanity and our pockets and our lives in general.
I do think we are in it for the long haul and we can't give in, we have to tough it out.
Today, I heard that three people close to our family, had positive cancer results.
Two are terminal!
One has a great chance!
I don't want to waste my chance, since getting my life back and getting my health back. I won't give in! If there is a choice between being food and being healthy, you do know what I would choose?
I'm in a situation that I have no choice, a sort of Hobson choice, the right foods, the constant exercise and doing without treats and social occasions, to feast and celebrate. I'd rather celebrate my life by being here in twenty years time with my great grandkids, and supporting my beloved team and maybe, lose that weight that has to come off!
I'm now going to have a mid evening small piece of roasted gammon, maybe a few spoons of yoghurt, and go to bed, ready to fast in work tomorrow and maybe eat tomorrow evening, if I want, I don't have a timetable no more.
I eat when I want, when I went not because I have to!
I'm totally fed up!
I want to dominate my food, not the other way around!
My body tells me now, when it wants something and then I decide what and when!
It's a great feeling to be this way!
Keep battling, I'm convinced you can win, like I did to get to where I am now.
You have to, what choice have you got, what other options do you have?
We all get a bit depressed and feel sorry for ourselves.
What you have to do as in footie, you have to get back on the pitch and get a result next game, backbouncibility!
Find your balance and kick start that weight loss. Keep fighting!

Best wishes. @zand

Sorry, for the long post! I had thought I stopped doing this!

 

[ickihun]

It just proves. We have to do what is best for our individual need. I need to lose 9st. Asap.

 

[zand]

I really do feel for you!
Don't forget, I had over a couple of decades, this century and last that my weight went up despite being on my feet, working and everything else. I had a normal day worked out for me and I did an average of eight kilometres a day and I was on a recommended diet, it was wrong but I still put the pounds on!
I have stopped losing weight, mere ounces up and down, I can't get below twelve stone tho, despite all my trials and tribulations. Trying to get it going down and losing the visceral fat that my endocrinologist just doesn't like on me!
I know you are going to say, I wish I was twelve stone and I'm ****** at my body and how food affects your health and daily life!
I know I've been there!
We do have to find that balance and find those foods that do the damage and just eliminate them from our diet.
There is alternatives, but can we maintain it and at what cost to our sanity and our pockets and our lives in general.
I do think we are in it for the long haul and we can't give in, we have to tough it out.
Today, I heard that three people close to our family, had positive cancer results.
Two are terminal!
One has a great chance!
I don't want to waste my chance, since getting my life back and getting my health back. I won't give in! If there is a choice between being food and being healthy, you do know what I would choose?
I'm in a situation that I have no choice, a sort of Hobson choice, the right foods, the constant exercise and doing without treats and social occasions, to feast and celebrate. I'd rather celebrate my life by being here in twenty years time with my great grandkids, and supporting my beloved team and maybe, lose that weight that has to come off!
I'm now going to have a mid evening small piece of roasted gammon, maybe a few spoons of yoghurt, and go to bed, ready to fast in work tomorrow and maybe eat tomorrow evening, if I want, I don't have a timetable no more.
I eat when I want, when I went not because I have to!
I'm totally fed up!
I want to dominate my food, not the other way around!
My body tells me now, when it wants something and then I decide what and when!
It's a great feeling to be this way!
Keep battling, I'm convinced you can win, like I did to get to where I am now.
You have to, what choice have you got, what other options do you have?
We all get a bit depressed and feel sorry for ourselves.
What you have to do as in footie, you have to get back on the pitch and get a result next game, backbouncibility!
Find your balance and kick start that weight loss. Keep fighting!

Best wishes. @zand

Sorry, for the long post! I had thought I stopped doing this!

Thank you so much for this! Exactly what I needed to hear. It's a long time since a post has motivated me like this one (3 years ago in fact, on my very first thread) You are a good friend.

 

[Lamont D]

Thank you so much for this! Exactly what I needed to hear. It's a long time since a post has motivated me like this one (3 years ago in fact, on my very first thread) You are a good friend.

An honour and a pleasure!