UPDATE TO NICE RECOMMENDATION FOR T2D

[Salvia]

So does mine! I eat jars of the stuff.

Me too

I'm another one got an "increased risk" just because of my age, everything else was a big fat zero!

 

[Bluetit1802]

Me too

I'm another one got an "increased risk" just because of my age, everything else was a big fat zero!

So they are saying everyone over a certain age is at risk of diabetes even though they are slim, normal BP and normal everything else!

 

[Deleted member 308541]

So they are saying everyone over a certain age is at risk of diabetes even though they are slim, normal BP and normal everything else!

They got me for age, blood pressure medication and family history. All of the rest were 0.

 

[Salvia]

So they are saying everyone over a certain age is at risk of diabetes even though they are slim, normal BP and normal everything else!

Yeh, looks like it. Who dreams up these criteria?

Also looks like we might end up paying fees to SW/WW/or wherever, for 1.7 million 'overweight' bods! (irrespective of whether they have any health risk). Wonder where that money will come from?

 

[Squire Fulwood]

I am Type 2 too. And I am not an English native speaker so I know that sometimes I can be misunderstood.

Your English is excellent and I am sorry if I misunderstood you.

 

[JuliaEadie]

I ate to Government recommended guidelines for years and struggled with my weight. I was diagnosed with diabetes purely by chance as a GP took my blood pressure which was sky high and then took blood tests. I was referred to an NHS dietician who spouted the same old rubbish about the plate method and not being able to live without carbs. I ignored it totally and did a low carb high fat diet losing 3.5 stone without trying and wasn't hungry. I now have an HBA1c of 41 and normal cholesterol. I am covinced that becoming obese over many years is a symptom not a cause of diabetes. I am also covinced that the medical profession will never admit that their guidelines for low fat eating are wrong for some people - think of the potential compensation claims, that really would bankrupt the NHS. However, it concerns me that while this situation continues medics and scientists will not seek to answer questions that will unlock this puzzle of why some people become obease while others don't. My hope is that the mapping of the genome will provide some answers and some better advice will emerge which is tailored to individuals rather than the blanket brush clumsy approach currently offered.

 

[Squire Fulwood]

So they are saying everyone over a certain age is at risk of diabetes even though they are slim, normal BP and normal everything else!

That has always been my understanding but I don't remember where I got that info from. Also, I have often hinted to DN that anyone who comes in should at least get a finger prick test so that they find the skinny ones. This attitude of testing the fat ones has so many things wrong with it.

 

[Squire Fulwood]

Here is what the Mayo says,

• "Age. The risk of type 2 diabetes increases as you get older, especially after age 45. That's probably because people tend to exercise less, lose muscle mass and gain weight as they age. But type 2 diabetes is also increasing dramatically among children, adolescents and younger adults."

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/type-2-diabetes/symptoms-causes/dxc-20169861

 

[Bluetit1802]

It is reported in some places that older people have higher blood glucose levels than younger folk.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2080461/

 

[LittleGreyCat]

Sadly it may be that after a certain age everything including your pancreas starts to wear out.

I know my knees and feet have seen better days.
I know my head has seen better hair.

Then again we are looking at a calculation from national (or international) data sets and we on the forum are an educated minority so we should not conform to the statistical norm.

 

[carol43]

My risk was moderate (really?) at 23 but 13 of those was because I'm 70. 5 was for a relative with diabetes and 5 for taking BP meds.

 

[ukuleleplayer]

I think you'are over-reading it. By the way I stay awy from pastries and chips because elsewhere my BG sky rockets. Mayonnaise it's another thing if is't home made or you'll check the label always.

(Soybean oil? Starch? Sugar?? Eh?)

In these thing the devil is in the detail, or the presentation of data. I am sure very few people have understood the eatwell plate and correctly follow it or aren't forgetting the random snack or icecream outside dinner and lunch.

Full, nuclear powered Mayo is far lower in carbs than the "healthy" low fat option. Wholegrain bread isn't good, neither are pasta or rice. In fact, most of the "healthy" diet advocated by NICE and NHS is the cause of obesity, not the solution.

 

[bruciebonus]

When my mother was diagnosed with type 2 in the 1970's her doctor told her to drastically reduce carbohydrate consumption and increase fat and green veg, she would buy the fattiest meats she could find, she had diabetes nearly 40years with no complications and no medication. My doc insists eat carbs but no fat, why has advice changed? Makes no sense to me.

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[bruciebonus]

I thought diabetes was genetic.

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[bulkbiker]

When my mother was diagnosed with type 2 in the 1970's her doctor told her to drastically reduce carbohydrate consumption and increase fat and green veg, she would buy the fattiest meats she could find, she had diabetes nearly 40years with no complications and no medication. My doc insists eat carbs but no fat, why has advice changed? Makes no sense to me.

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One... your doctor has been misled by the dodgy science that NICE relies on for their guidelines courtesy of a certain Ancel Keys who fiddled the results to fit his hypothesis. Two... your doctor hasn't kept up with new science that says that our grandmothers were correct all along and that "sugar diabetes" is best controlled by reducing sugar (in the form of carbs) from our diet. Bad science that has become ingrained because those peddling it for the past 50 years can't admit to making a mistake especially in the USofA where most of the dietary advice came from and which would be bankrupted by the Class Action suit arising from them admitting that dietary advice has been incorrect for half a century.

 

[Bluetit1802]

I thought diabetes was genetic.

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It can be. It can also be caused by certain medications such as steroids. It can also be totally random. There are many causes.