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Reverse diabetes......

Boo1979

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Type of diabetes
Other
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
using a combination of limiting refined carbs, following a meditteranea diet and fasting
Maybe its just me, but it seems a tad simplistic


How to Reverse Diabetes


Once we understand type 2 diabetes, then the solution becomes pretty bloody obvious. If we have too much sugar in the body, then get rid of it. Don’t simply hide it away so we can’t see it. There are really only two ways to get rid of the excessive sugar in the body.

  1. Don’t put sugar in.
  2. Burn it off.
That’s it. That’s all we need to do. The best part? It’s all natural and completely free. No drugs. No surgery. No cost.

Step 1 – Don’t put sugar in

The first step is to eliminate all sugar and refined starches from your diet. Sugar has no nutritional value and can therefore be eliminated. Starches are simply long chains of sugars. Highly refined starches such as flour or white rice are quickly broken down by digestion into glucose. This is quickly absorbed into the blood and raises blood sugar. For example, eating white bread increases blood sugars very quickly. Doesn’t it seem self-evident that we should avoid foods that raise blood sugars because they will eventually be absorbed into the body? The optimum strategy is to eat little or no refined carbohydrates.
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Too much dietary protein is also converted into glucose by the body. Therefore, you should avoid eating too much protein as this, too will only add sugar to the body. Protein shakes, protein bars, and protein powders should all be avoided. Instead focus on eating lots of vegetables and natural healthy fats.

Dietary fat, long shunned for its purported effect of causing heart disease, is back. Natural fats, such as found in avocado, nuts and olive oil are well known to have healthy effects on both heart disease and diabetes. The Mediterranean diet, high in natural fats, is well accepted to be a healthy diet. Dietary cholesterol has also been shown to have no harmful effect on the human body. Eggs and butter are back.

Most importantly, stick to eating whole, natural, unprocessed foods.

Step 2 – Burn it off

Fasting is the simplest and fastest method to force your body to burn sugar for energy. Glucose in the blood is the most easily accessible source of energy for the body. Fasting is merely the flip side of eating – if you are not eating you are fasting. When you eat, your body stores food energy. When you fast, your body burns food energy. If you simply lengthen out your periods of fasting, you can burn off the stored sugar.

Since type 2 diabetes is merely excessive glucose in the body, burning it off will reverse the disease. While it may sound severe, fasting has been practiced for at least 2000 years. It is the oldest dietary therapy known. Literally millions of people throughout human history have fasted without problems. If you are taking prescription medications, you should seek the advice of a physician. But the bottom line comes to this.

If you don’t eat, will your blood sugars come down? Of course.

If you don’t eat, will you lose weight? Of course.

So, what’s the problem? None that I can see.

We can reverse type 2 diabetes and pre-diabetes today, right now, immediately. All without cost, without drugs, without surgery, with an all natural, time-tested healing method. We only need to lead our bodies down the healing pathway and have the courage to apply our hard-won knowledge
 
Ive read what he has written. I also know that in my case at least, his assertion that “of course your blood sugars will come down if you dont eat” is incorrect - mine go up
Whilst I agree with much of what he says, there are also strong critiques out there e.g. diabetes warrior
 
Ive read what he has written. I also know that in my case at least, his assertion that “of course your blood sugars will come down if you dont eat” is incorrect - mine go up
Whilst I agree with much of what he says, there are also strong critiques out there e.g. diabetic warrior

Surely that will depend on how long you don't eat for?
 
Several days of fasting or over a week of 24 hr fasting = sugars up 5-6 points, ketones high ( outside or nutritional ketosis range)
 
Several days of fasting or over a week of 24 hr fasting

Basically he deals with obese T2D who have the energy store that is being locked up by the excessive insulin. So fasting to drop the insulin and allow access to the fat store is the primary goal in this scenario.

But it sounds like your situation is different...and border ketoacidosis...

Normally this is suppose to happen...
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Even Dr Roy Taylor mentioned this in his 2011 paper...
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/blo...etiology-and-reversibility.1828/#comment-2253
Within 7 days of instituting a substantial negative calorie balance by either dietary intervention or bariatric surgery, fasting plasma glucose levels can normalize. This rapid change relates to a substantial fall in liver fat content and return of normal hepatic insulin sensitivity. Over 8 weeks, first phase and maximal rates of insulin secretion steadily return to normal, and this change is in step with steadily decreasing pancreatic fat content.

It would usually take 2-3 days to deplete/exhaust our glycogen store. And it is then safe to ramp up the ketones production...

I wonder what is causing your glucose to continue rising...
 
When someone’s sugar goes up and remains high while they are fasting for a long time, I question if they have Type2…… Remember the Dr Jason Fung does the correct tests on people and understands the different types of diabetes, unlike most NHS GPs, who tend to assume someone must be Type2 until proven otherwise.

An increase in BG at some point in a fast is normal with the liver clearing out the sugar it has stored, what does your BG do on a 72hr fast? According to his book, Dr Jason Fung often starts people on a 3 or 5 days fast, before moving onto 24hr fasts. The liver will "refill" its store of sugar after a fast, this suger can only come from the blood, hence tracking of BG after the fast may show a benefit. (Without a CGM very hard to get enough data to see what is going on.)
 
It would usually take 2-3 days to deplete/exhaust our glycogen store. And it is then safe to ramp up the ketones production...

And I think there needs to be adequate basal insulin to suppress excessive glucagon AND prevent runaway ketone production to prevent ketoacidosis (high glucose/high ketones)
 
I would agree theres something more going on but who knows what.
What I do know is that I was diagnosed T2 over 20 years ago and manage to keep hba1c in the pre / non diabetic range using a combination of diet and medication. In the Uk ( at least) T2 diabetes seems to be something of a “catch all” diagnosis with increasing evidence of misdiagnosis - as such any theory that says “ obviously just do x and you will reverse your diabetes” is going to be inappropriate in a significant number of cases which are exceptions to the assumed norm
. To my mind, any theory that does not / cannot account for and explain the exceptions is a simplistic theory. Reminds me rather too much of the doctors who explain people failing to lose weight following their advice, by saying that the patient is either lying or “forgetting” (polite word for lying) about what theyve eaten
 
Im assuming my livers having a fun time making more glucose, but who knows

Have you ever had c-peptide or fasting insulin taken to gauge your insulin level?

I was fortunate to have my fasting insulin measured on diagnosis and it came out high. So Dr Jason Fung's approach works for me. 2 skipped dinner was all I needed to dropped fasting BG from 8+ to 5.5 mmol.

But my sister who has been diagnosed T2D 10 years earlier has been having a more difficult time normalizing her glucose level even after deciding to go carbs lite/IF over the past 3 months. Her fasting levels remains 8+ mmols. She needs to have background insulin 4 units Lantus to maintain a fasting BG < 8 mmol level.
 
Have you ever had c-peptide or fasting insulin taken to gauge your insulin level?

I was fortunate to have my fasting insulin measured on diagnosis and it came out high. So Dr Jason Fung's approach works for me. 2 skipped dinner was all I needed to dropped fasting BG from 8+ to 5.5 mmol.

But my sister who has been diagnosed T2D 10 years earlier has been having a more difficult time normalizing her glucose level even after deciding to go carbs lite/IF over the past 3 months. Her fasting levels remains 8+ mmols. She needs to have background insulin 4 units Lantus to maintain a fasting BG < 8 mmol level.
No no other tests. One medic raised the question of monogenic diabetes but no tests have ever been done. I generally manage to keep my overnight fasting BM in the 6-7 range. Ive been under the hospital diabetes team for years
 
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Most of Dr Jason Fung thinking depends on people having a high insulin level.

Nearly everyone who has true type2 and has not had it for more than a few years will have a very high insulin level.

If only the NHS did a fasting insulin test as standard.....
 
Yes although I do not think its very helpful to imply that some people with a T2 diagnosis do not have ‘true ‘ T2
It becomes a problem when people cite his thinking to justify advocating particular approaches to T2 without adding the caveat that the theory is predicated on the assumption of endogenous insulin levels being high and that it is not applicable to all situations attracting a T2 diagnosis
 
it seems a tad simplistic

Probably because it is.

The first step is to eliminate all sugar and refined starches from your diet.

I've never put sugar in anything, I have very rarely drunk any fizzy drink, I have rarely eaten biscuits, never been a chocolate lover, very rarely ate cake . . . . . . . . .

Have avoided processed foods since warned off frozen WW meals by dietician in 1989.

Burn it off.

I'm no stranger to exercise, maybe not continuously but I have recently noticed with the aid of my FS Libre that my BG can actually go up when I exercise.

It's actually exactly like trying to lose weight, if that was a simple as eat less and exercise more, there would be more successful dieters in the world.

Glad it has worked for you, hope it works for many others, I think there's a little more to it especially when there are metabolic problems. ATP is the thing, I believe, that muscles use and we'd have to have a look at how glucose is metabolised in the individual. It's not straight forward.
 
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