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Shivers, nausea, oh so tired-high bg?

cherrydarling_

cherrydarling_

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Hi, about half an ago I started shivering something awful, feel nauseous and could quite happily crash out on the couch right now (if it wasnt for the two year old running round! ) so I just tested my bg 1.5 hours after lunch) and got a reading of 16.2. Is this why i feel so awful? I tested before lunch and got 6.2 for lunch I had a ham and tomato sandwich and multi grain crisps. I am newly diagnosed so trying to figure out my diet, so please don't shout if I've chosen badly!
 
I think high BG symptoms vary from person to person but it gives me no energy, a may feel slightly nauseous but the best way to describe it is "run down".

I have type 1 diabetes so my diet is different but I have seen many type 2s recommending diet doctor for ideas on what to eat to maintain lower BG levels.
 
{whispering} The bread and crisps are high in carbohydrates so may be pushing your BG up.

How about wrapping some cheddar in the ham, eating the tomato, and just not having the bread and crisps?

You do seem to be having a spike in BG; what medication are you on?
If this keeps happening it is probably worth talking to your health care team.
 
LittleGreyCat said:
{whispering} The bread and crisps are high in carbohydrates so may be pushing your BG up.

How about wrapping some cheddar in the ham, eating the tomato, and just not having the bread and crisps?

You do seem to be having a spike in BG; what medication are you on?
If this keeps happening it is probably worth talking to your health care team.
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*hangs head in shame* I thought they would be bad not currently on meds, diagnosed Monday and seeing doc on tuesday. Bread and crisps are definitely my downfall
 
Yes, I have to agree. Bread of any description is high in carbs, as are crisps. There are some low carb breads available such as the high protein rolls from Lidl (9g carbs per roll), plus Bergen (sp?) and Livelife both available from some supermarkets. The Lidl rolls are very popular on this forum.

Are you keeping a food diary including all ingredients of the meal and portion sizes? This will definitely help you. You can record your levels alongside and look out for patterns. You will soon discover your personal danger foods that way. If your rise from before eating to the 2 hour mark is more than 2mmol/l (preferably less) there is definitely something "dangerous" in the food you ate, which needs either reducing in portion size or eliminating.
 
cherrydarling_ said:
*hangs head in shame* I thought they would be bad not currently on meds, diagnosed Monday and seeing doc on tuesday. Bread and crisps are definitely my downfall
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Do you know what your reading was before eating? or your HbA1c from the blood test at the doctors?

You may simply be coming down with a bug.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Yes, I have to agree. Bread of any description is high in carbs, as are crisps. There are some low carb breads available such as the high protein rolls from Lidl (9g carbs per roll), plus Bergen (sp?) and Livelife both available from some supermarkets. The Lidl rolls are very popular on this forum.

Are you keeping a food diary including all ingredients of the meal and portion sizes? This will definitely help you. You can record your levels alongside and look out for patterns. You will soon discover your personal danger foods that way. If your rise from before eating to the 2 hour mark is more than 2mmol/l (preferably less) there is definitely something "dangerous" in the food you ate, which needs either reducing in portion size or eliminating.
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Not a food diary as such, just recording on my app what I ate when testing but not including portion sizes. But will definitely start a food diary as after eating, my levels seem to jump from about 6/7 to round about 12 (with the exception of this lunchtime )
 
cherrydarling_ said:
Not a food diary as such, just recording on my app what I ate when testing but not including portion sizes. But will definitely start a food diary as after eating, my levels seem to jump from about 6/7 to round about 12 (with the exception of this lunchtime )
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That is far too much of a rise if that is what you see most of the time. Any rise from before to the 2 hour mark needs to be under 2mmol/l and preferably less. More than that and there are most likely too many carbs on your plate which you would need to analyse, experiment, and tweak.

Edited to add - do you snack between meals? If you had snacked on something carby within an hour or so of starting to eat your meal, this may have impacted on your final result.
 
Personally, just my own experience here, but if i have bread, I cant have any other carby snack, or my blood sugars go into double figures.

I test before a meal, then 2 hours after, and record the result along with what I ate and the approx amounts eg. 2 slices wholemeal bread, butter, cheese, tomatoes. Once I had got a better understanding of what carbs affect me, and what quantities i could safely eat, I only record the carb portion of a meal.

If I at the same thing every day or so eg a slice of wholemeal bread, butter and two poached eggs, I dont bother testing as i know what effect that has on me. Every 6 months a have a weeks or two of intensive testing every meal to make sure I can still safely eat the type and quantity of food in that meal.

all the best : )
 
Bluetit1802 said:
That was one heck of a rise. It could well be the 16.2 reading was a rogue one. Did you re-test it? We all get rogue outliers sometimes, so when you see something well outside what you expected do a re-test and if necessary a third test.
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Didn't re-test after, but just tested again how and it's come down to 13.2. Is that good?
 
lucylocket61 said:
Personally, just my own experience here, but if i have bread, I cant have any other carby snack, or my blood sugars go into double figures.

I test before a meal, then 2 hours after, and record the result along with what I ate and the approx amounts eg. 2 slices wholemeal bread, butter, cheese, tomatoes. Once I had got a better understanding of what carbs affect me, and what quantities i could safely eat, I only record the carb portion of a meal.

If I at the same thing every day or so eg a slice of wholemeal bread, butter and two poached eggs, I dont bother testing as i know what effect that has on me. Every 6 months a have a weeks or two of intensive testing every meal to make sure I can still safely eat the type and quantity of food in that meal.

all the best : )
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Thanks ☺ I think once I've got my head round it all and can understand the carbs a bit better I'll get a handle on it!
 
Bluetit1802 said:
That is far too much of a rise if that is what you see most of the time. Any rise from before to the 2 hour mark needs to be under 2mmol/l and preferably less. More than that and there are most likely too many carbs on your plate which you would need to analyse, experiment, and tweak.

Edited to add - do you snack between meals? If you had snacked on something carby within an hour or so of starting to eat your meal, this may have impacted on your final result.
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No snacking today, I try my best not to snack (but sometimes that ol' snack mobster surfaces about 9pm )
 
Bluetit1802 said:
It is about 3 and a quarter hours since your lunch and is still 7mmol/ above where you started - so no, not good, but at least it is coming down. :)

What are you planning on for your evening meal?
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I'm thinking some cardboard will help get these levels down it' my sons birthday today and they're all having takeout pizza I think I may just have a salad, or just sniff the pizza box!
 
cherrydarling_ said:
I'm thinking some cardboard will help get these levels down it' my sons birthday today and they're all having takeout pizza I think I may just have a salad, or just sniff the pizza box!
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I personally wouldn't eat any pizza! A salad with cheese or an omelette is good.
 
Don't worry - you can snack all you want - but diabetes means that you can't cope with carbohydrates, which are sugars and starches. Cut those down and everything should be fine.
You'll be chasing your youngster around like a twin sister in no time.
There is so much misinformation about what a healthy diet comprises - Dr Atkins was right all along, it seems.
Make yourself boiled eggs, roast some chicken thighs on a rack until the skin is crispy, find some good quality low carb sausages, then try to exclude such things as bread, pasta rice - any grain really, potatoes too - there are lists of low carb foods which should really make a difference to your blood glucose levels.
There is a low carb pizza - called fat head which would be fine for you to eat - and a lot better for the children too as a lot of youngsters are short of fat and protein these days.
I fed mine on what I ate when doing Atkins - my son is almost a foot taller than me, both offspring are tall and slender. Both are highly intelligent too.
 
cherrydarling_ said:
I'm thinking some cardboard will help get these levels down it' my sons birthday today and they're all having takeout pizza I think I may just have a salad, or just sniff the pizza box!
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Happy birthday to your son!

A full English without the beans and bread might fill the hole. (bacon, eggs, mushrooms, low carb sausage, tomatoes.) Virtually carb free and so nice. Your son and his mates will be jealous!
 
cherrydarling_ said:
*hangs head in shame* I thought they would be bad not currently on meds, diagnosed Monday and seeing doc on tuesday. Bread and crisps are definitely my downfall
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Don't panic. You are very early into diagnosis and it will take a while for everything to sink in and whatever you do it will take a while for your BG to stabilise.

Best thing is to read a lot, knowing that some is really good advice and some perhaps not so.

Make sure you get a print out of your test results so you can post them here.

LCHF works for a lot of people on here, but it isn't for everyone so it doesn't matter if you don't take to it.

As others have said, keep a note of what you are eating, then post on here for loads of opinions. :-)

The long term may not be too bad, depending on how your body copes. I am 10 years into diabetes and am managing to stay fairly fit and healthy with near normal BG with just diet, exercise and Metformin.
 
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