will diabetes type 2 worsen

[rom35]

Isnt post meal recommendation level is 7.8 or below? Is 7 realistic?

My target is max 5,6 two hours after meal - and it can be done.

 

[rom35]

I'm doing regular exercise and even started to eat a balanced diet. Is this enough?

Depends on your status: liver, pancreas, muscles and viceral fat. That is function of 4 variables, so very complex. You have to find your combination of diet and excercise to have BG in mantinels: max 5,6 between meals and spike after meal not go over 8. Find with your meter what works for you. For me the best combination is LCHF diet combined with 30m brisk walk after each meal, and 5 times a week gym (run, walk and weight lifting). I eat only 3x a day. It's hard regime, but I have "strong" diabetes. I'm able to stand with this regime, and reward is no health complication. So use your meter, find your combination and go for it!

 

[bulkbiker]

even started to eat a balanced diet

Depends completely on your definition of a "balanced" diet. If that diet involves carbohydrates in large quantities from starchy and sweet foods then however balanced it is it won't help your blood glucose levels.

 

[JohnEGreen]

As I may have mentioned on another thread my ex anatomy tutor who is a podiatric surgeon operated on a lady who my daughter is in contact with on face book to amputate her leg from just below the knee because of T2 complications, he is now having to to do this on a regular basis up to 20 times a month removing diabetics limbs.

This lady was diagnosed T2 8 months ago and had been following her GP's advice and eating to the well plate guidelines.

Thing is she has lost a limb but of course is still diabetic so has now decided on the surgeons advice to go low carb but in the hospital is even though having just lost a limb still being provided a high carb diet so is having to get people to bring in low carb food for her.

The surgeon told her he had over heard two doctors in the hospital saying that T2 diabetics don't end up with amputations and it is only T1's who have such severe complications such ignorance on the pat of NHS doctors appalled him so he had to correct them by sharing a T2 case file of a patient he had operated on.

So while the advice and ignorance of doctors continues as is, I can only see the situation worsening over time

The dietary guidelines and advice have got to change

The surgeon in question feels like crying when having to remove limbs when it could be for the most part avoided, especially where young children are concerned.

The lady in question is or was a PE teacher and thinks not only has she lost a limb but she won't be able to function in her profession any longer.

While doctors and health professionals keep telling people that T2 is progressive and can only get worse and giving advice that can only worsen the situation it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy.

 

[PenguinMum]

As I may have mentioned on another thread my ex anatomy tutor who is a podiatric surgeon operated on a lady who my daughter is in contact with on face book to amputate her leg from just below the knee because of T2 complications, he is now having to to do this on a regular basis up to 20 times a month removing diabetics limbs.

This lady was diagnosed T2 8 months ago and had been following her GP's advice and eating to the well plate guidelines.

Thing is she has lost a limb but of course is still diabetic so has now decided on the surgeons advice to go low carb but in the hospital is even though having just lost a limb still being provided a high carb diet so is having to get people to bring in low carb food for her.

The surgeon told her he had over heard two doctors in the hospital saying that T2 diabetics don't end up with amputations and it is only T1's who have such severe complications such ignorance on the pat of NHS doctors appalled him so he had to correct them by sharing a T2 case file of a patient he had operated on.

So while the advice and ignorance of doctors continues as is, I can only see the situation worsening over time

The dietary guidelines and advice have got to change

The surgeon in question feels like crying when having to remove limbs when it could be for the most part avoided, especially where young children are concerned.

The lady in question is or was a PE teacher and thinks not only has she lost a limb but she won't be able to function in her profession any longer.

While doctors and health professionals keep telling people that T2 is progressive and can only get worse and giving advice that can only worsen the situation it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy.

I read your other thread on this and wondered why the podiatry specialists dont highlight this by writing en masse to the Chief Medical Officer because wrong dietary advice on Dx is litterally causing amputations and killing people. This could be so powerful. We cant keep blaming doctors who are obliged to follow their rules of engagement.

 

[bulkbiker]

I read your other thread on this and wondered why the podiatry specialists dont highlight this by writing en masse to the Chief Medical Officer because wrong dietary advice on Dx is litterally causing amputations and killing people. This could be so powerful. We cant keep blaming doctors who are obliged to follow their rules of engagement.

If you want to know why look up Dr Gary Fettke and his fight against the authorities in Tasmania. I would imagine that his plight has put all but the most ardent advocates of Low Carb in a state of fear for their jobs.

 

[millenium]

My target is max 5,6 two hours after meal - and it can be done.

This is possible. My 80 yo father already achieved 8.5 two hours post meal (i state up to 9.0 because maybe out of 6 times he may get a 9.2, most of the time 8.5 or below. For breakfast, two hours post meal is just around 7 cos he exercise for 35 mins, one hour after breakfast. He ate a total of 3 meals a day, around 25-30g carb per meal.

 

[britishpub]

will diabetes type 2 worsen

One thing you can be certain of, is that if you choose do sit back and do nothing to try and control your BG levels then it will.

If you are proactive and try to do something to control them, the it just might not.

I know which path I'd rather gamble on.

 

[PenguinMum]

If you want to know why look up Dr Gary Fettke and his fight against the authorities in Tasmania. I would imagine that his plight has put all but the most ardent advocates of Low Carb in a state of fear for their jobs.

I have just googled Dr Fettkes story and it is indeed poisonous. I suppose if the College of Podiatry in this country came on board then it wouldnt have to be an individual career on the line.

 

[PenguinMum]

I am refreshing this thread because it is so important to us diagnosed out of the blue in the last six months. This is what scares the hell out of many of us. I dont know if my last response to @bulkbiker was naive but as such an experienced forumite I value your opinions.
None of the “old hands” should underestimate the value of their experience in helping newbies to get a grip on it all..

 

[bulkbiker]

I am refreshing this thread because it is so important to us diagnosed out of the blue in the last six months. This is what scares the hell out of many of us. I dont know if my last response to @bulkbiker was naive but as such an experienced forumite I value your opinions.
None of the “old hands” should underestimate the value of their experience in helping newbies to get a grip on it all..

Well I'll certainly be hanging around to tell you guys what to do! In my own sweet way of course!
Luckily I don't have to rely on the health service anywhere to pay me so they can't keep me quiet either.

 

[PenguinMum]

If you want to know why look up Dr Gary Fettke and his fight against the authorities in Tasmania. I would imagine that his plight has put all but the most ardent advocates of Low Carb in a state of fear for their jobs.

The population of Uk is circa 65

Well I'll certainly be hanging around to tell you guys what to do! In my own sweet way of course!
Luckily I don't have to rely on the health service anywhere to pay me so they can't keep me quiet either.

Good to know. And what is your response to why should podriatic surgeons should not raise their concerns about amputations due to diabetes to a higher level. The NHS is spending more on Diabetis than any other disease it just doesnt make sense.

 

[bulkbiker]

Good to know. And what is your response to why should podriatic surgeons should not raise their concerns about amputations due to diabetes to a higher level. The NHS is spending more on Diabetis than any other disease it just doesnt make sense.

I agree that they should but they are still very few who are prepared to stand up against their "trade organisations". Aseem Malhotra is standing up against the majority of cardiac surgeons but I wonder what his long term career prospects in the NHS are like now? Dr Unwin is doing a great job but these guys are few and far between. It is a national scandal but those in power that have been giving wrong advice for years are now so entrenched that they can't suddenly change their views. The pharma companies have their claws in deep. I wish there was some way we could get the word to all but for the moment we are a slowly growing fairly loud minority and we are fighting against food companies, dieticians, most of the Health care world and pharma companies. It will be a battle royal..

 

[caroline_92]

I don’t know about robust research on T2 getting worse with good blood sugar control but I am on a personal mission to demonstrate it doesn’t have to. 7 years of a low carb diet that kicked my T2 into remission, with a very strong family history of diabetes and I am living proof it really doesn’t have to get worse.
It makes my blood boil how many people suffer with progressive diabetes in the UK, through following the flawed official dietary advice. So glad for forums like this

 

[millenium]

I don’t know about robust research on T2 getting worse with good blood sugar control but I am on a personal mission to demonstrate it doesn’t have to. 7 years of a low carb diet that kicked my T2 into remission, with a very strong family history of diabetes and I am living proof it really doesn’t have to get worse.
It makes my blood boil how many people suffer with progressive diabetes in the UK, through following the flawed official dietary advice. So glad for forums like this

Your testimonial will be taken seriously.

 

[kokhongw]

I have succeeded in keeping to the targets given in the start of the thread for my 80 yo early diabetes father. Isnt post meal recommendation level is 7.8 or below? Is 7 realistic? Zero carb?

For the aged, the general preference is to keep their glucose level higher because the risk of hypo and falling/fainting is greater.

The focus would be to retain muscle mass with adequate protein and strength exercise.

Perhaps some coconut oil to keep the brain adequately fueled.

Those of us in the 40s/50s runs the real risks of serious diabetic complications when we do not seek to achieve normal glucose/insulin levels over the years.

 

[DCB 2]

Hi, I'm one of the newly diagnosed ones and this thread grabbed my attention because it mentions 'worsen'. Well, I'm a little scared right now as I don't really want to get my condition worse. I'm doing regular exercise and even started to eat a balanced diet. Is this enough?

Hi Stephen,

It sounds like you have the right attitude. I remember when I was diagnosed I was terrified and to be honest mad as hell. I would agree that diet and exercise are important, but I would also add that you should be regular testing of your blood sugar. It takes time to understand how what you eat effects your blood sugar. By regularly testing it you can see trends and make corrections if needed. Finally I would find a good nutritionist to help reteach you on how foods effect your blood sugar. I track blood sugar daily with the spreadsheet which also calculates my a1c on monthly and 90 days so I can see trends. The point that I am trying make is vigilance important so you can see when things start going wrong you catch them and fix them. One other thing you are learning and you will make some mistakes. I was told that whole wheat pasta would be OK to eat and it drove my blood sugar to 250. Everyone one is different so that is reason for checking your blood sugar. Your head is the right place do what you are doing and check your blood sugars regularly to make sure they are OK.

 

[millenium]

For the aged, the general preference is to keep their glucose level higher because the risk of hypo and falling/fainting is greater.

The focus would be to retain muscle mass with adequate protein and strength exercise.

Perhaps some coconut oil to keep the brain adequately fueled.

Those of us in the 40s/50s runs the real risks of serious diabetic complications when we do not seek to achieve normal glucose/insulin levels over the years.

That made sense.

I often tell my father his condition is much easier to manage cos he has never has a hypo episode before.

 

[Crocodile]

Hi, I'm one of the newly diagnosed ones and this thread grabbed my attention because it mentions 'worsen'. Well, I'm a little scared right now as I don't really want to get my condition worse. I'm doing regular exercise and even started to eat a balanced diet. Is this enough?

Hi Stephen, Forget the balanced diet. These invariably are diets for non diabetics and have a about 60% of the plate loaded with carbs. Nothing wrong with that if you aren't a diabetic. For us, we need to seriously cut down the carbs and consume the remaining kilojoules via fats and proteins. There are no other magic puddings. Apparently balanced is 310 gms of carbs per day. That would send me to outer space as it would most diabetics. Currently I have only 20gms of carbs per meal and maybe a stretch to 30 gms if it is low GI AND I've tested it beforehand with my meter.

I agree, for anyone new it is frightening but hang in there, you'll gain knowledge fairly quickly. And *** if you're not using a meter to test your bg levels and the effects of certain foods, best to start now.
Good luck, Glenn

 

[stephenlopez]

To be honest, you people are very helpful! I knew nothing about diabetes and now I'm learning more and more every day. Also, coming to the diet, I've already made modifications to my diet and I've reduced the carbs because I suspect them to be the cause of my condition in the first place

Also, I'm reading more and more new studies about diabetes and I found about diabetes 3c. Although I don't have 3c I think that you people should also know about it. I'm making progress towards the learning about the condition and I want to help everyone on this forum like they are helping me with it!