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Confused newbie with questions!

cmor16

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Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
Hi everyone :-) I recently had a blood test and the doc mentioned that my "sugar" was "slightly high". I live in Spain so the results are a little different : 115mq/dl (60/105) As I am over the upper limit I would say the situation is more serious than my levels just being a little high?
I am assuming myself to be prediabetic and after reading loads on here and elsewhere it seems the best course of action is to lose weight so I cut out all sugar, all grains (except GF oats), all fruit (except berries), potatoes, rice, pasta and basically any ****. I'm losing weight but very slowly and I'm wondering if it's because my diet is a bit of a mish-mash, not fully low carb, not
low calorie, not LCHF. I am prepared to do ANYTHING to get my blood normalised but I'm worried I'm doing something wrong and I'm anxious to get rid of this thing ASAP.

I'm also taking Cider Vinegar with my meals and have just started on Berberine.

Is there anything else I can do, and should I buy a blood glucose monitor and if so, which one?

Many thanks
 
Hello and welcome. Yes, get yourself a meter. It is a great tool which teaches you what effects your diet has on your blood glucose levels. It is invaluable imo.
The two most popular starter glucometers are the SD Codefree and the Tee2. There are a couple of money saving codes for these and hopefully someone will give you these but I do not have them atm.

Tagging @daisy1 who will swing by and give you some really good information offered to all newbies.
May I ask if you take medications for your Diabetes? This will affect the advice we can give you.

Have a wander around the forum and ask as many questions as you like.

By the way, could you send some sunshine home to Blighty, please ;)
 
A meter and frequent testing will give good insights regarding your blood sugar levels. I will give my experince on this matter and how I got low readings without medications.
At first I started with very LCHF diet for the first month with 10 minutes early morning excercise on eliptical device daily. It took me one month to lose 5kg.
Then I started to increase my carb intake to moderate level. After that I have changed meal times, breakfast between 6 and 7:30am and lunch between 12 and 13pm, in order to get low readings after meals.

The key point now for me is to eat any food but in moderate or small amounts.
according to this I started to get morning readings between 90 and 103mg/dl.
 
Hello and welcome. Yes, get yourself a meter. It is a great tool which teaches you what effects your diet has on your blood glucose levels. It is invaluable imo.
The two most popular starter glucometers are the SD Codefree and the Tee2. There are a couple of money saving codes for these and hopefully someone will give you these but I do not have them atm.

Tagging @daisy1 who will swing by and give you some really good information offered to all newbies.
May I ask if you take medications for your Diabetes? This will affect the advice we can give you.

Have a wander around the forum and ask as many questions as you like.

By the way, could you send some sunshine home to Blighty, please ;)

Hi Guzzler, thanks for the reply. First of all I was alarmed when you asked if I was on medication for my Diabetes. Have I got Diabetes?? As I said the doc only suggested losing a bit of weight and that my sugar was "a bit high". It was only after googling that I diagnosed my self as being pre-diabetic :-(

I would send you some sun but unfortunately we don't have any today and it's forecast for rain/thunder and lightning tomorrow!
 
A meter and frequent testing will give good insights regarding your blood sugar levels. I will give my experince on this matter and how I got low readings without medications.
At first I started with very LCHF diet for the first month with 10 minutes early morning excercise on eliptical device daily. It took me one month to lose 5kg.
Then I started to increase my carb intake to moderate level. After that I have changed meal times, breakfast between 6 and 7:30am and lunch between 12 and 13pm, in order to get low readings after meals.

The key point now for me is to eat any food but in moderate or small amounts.
according to this I started to get morning readings between 90 and 103mg/dl.

Hi and thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I also have an underactive Thyroid which makes it a bit harder to lose weight and on LCHF I would just never go to the loo! Too much info I know but that's the way I am sadly. As I said above I have cut most fibre out and that's causing problems already :-(
 
@cmor16

Hello cmor16 and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
Hi Guzzler, thanks for the reply. First of all I was alarmed when you asked if I was on medication for my Diabetes. Have I got Diabetes?? As I said the doc only suggested losing a bit of weight and that my sugar was "a bit high". It was only after googling that I diagnosed my self as being pre-diabetic :-(

I would send you some sun but unfortunately we don't have any today and it's forecast for rain/thunder and lightning tomorrow!

Doctors do not always prescribe medications for Pre Diabetes.
 
Hi and thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I also have an underactive Thyroid which makes it a bit harder to lose weight and on LCHF I would just never go to the loo! Too much info I know but that's the way I am sadly. As I said above I have cut most fibre out and that's causing problems already :-(
I have an underactive thyroid, but take Thyroxine to fix that.
You should be getting lots of fibre from the vegetables you eat - or is that what you have cut out? I have loads of salads and veges, small amounts of fruit - lots of seeds, and also the natural fats in the meat - not all of which is digested, so never any problems.
 
Hi and welcome,

Please can you tell us which test it was that gave a result of 115mg/dl ?

Was it a fasting blood glucose test with blood drawn from your arm, or was it a non-fasting finger prick test, or was it an HbA1c test? I appreciate you are in Spain with different measurement units, but we have a converter on the website. It doesn't sound like an HbA1c test to me as that would have different measurement units. The HbA1c is the definitive test for diagnosing pre-diabetes and diabetes as it measures blood glucose over the previous 2 to 3 months. The other tests I mentioned are simply snapshots of your blood glucose at the time of the test, which depend on several factors.

Without this information it is difficult to comment.
 
I have an underactive thyroid, but take Thyroxine to fix that.
You should be getting lots of fibre from the vegetables you eat - or is that what you have cut out? I have loads of salads and veges, small amounts of fruit - lots of seeds, and also the natural fats in the meat - not all of which is digested, so never any problems.

To be honest I'm not a big veg fan but recently started eating cabbage (unfortunately with potato-bubble and squeak) and my husband has made me some soup with cauli, sweet potato, a big bag of mixed veg plus coconut, turmeric and other curry spices. When I get my meter I will test to see if I'm OK with it...fingers crossed. I have a lot of salad, no fruit as yet, and have nuts and seeds :-)
 
Hi and welcome,

Please can you tell us which test it was that gave a result of 115mg/dl ?

Was it a fasting blood glucose test with blood drawn from your arm, or was it a non-fasting finger prick test, or was it an HbA1c test? I appreciate you are in Spain with different measurement units, but we have a converter on the website. It doesn't sound like an HbA1c test to me as that would have different measurement units. The HbA1c is the definitive test for diagnosing pre-diabetes and diabetes as it measures blood glucose over the previous 2 to 3 months. The other tests I mentioned are simply snapshots of your blood glucose at the time of the test, which depend on several factors.

Without this information it is difficult to comment.

Hi Bluetit, I'm not too sure what sort of test it was. It was primarily to test my Thyroid but she tested other things as well. It was a fasting test with blood taken from my arm. As I mentioned, it was me who diagnosed myself with prediabetes, the doc just suggested I lose some weight and suggested rice cakes if I was hungry (!!) but as the figures were over the upper limit I figured it couldn't be right. Can you tell me where I would find the converter please? It would just be my luck if I'm not prediabetic after all when I've just ordered a meter and strips! Having said that it would be the best money I ever wasted!!
 
You might find that cauliflower is a better choice than potato - and sweet potato is actually higher in carbs than the ordinary sort - I can't eat it though others find that they can - that is why you need a meter.
The doctor recommended rice cakes? I do sometimes wonder what planet they come from
 
The converter from mg/dl to mmol/l is here

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/blood-sugar-converter.html

It sounds to me that is was not an HbA1c, but was a fasting plasma glucose test (because of the measurement units)

The UK criteria is:

Fasting
Below 6.1 mmol/l (108mg/dl) is normal
6.1 to 6.9 mmol/l (108 to 125 mg/dl) is pre-diabetic
7 mmol/l and over (126 mg/dl) is diabetic

HbA1c tests are measured in different units, world-wide.

However, these fasting tests are unreliable, which is why they should be followed with an HbA1c to confirm.

They are unreliable because they do not simply rely on food. Other things can raise levels, and on fasting tests at a surgery this often happens. Anxiety and stress whilst anticipating the test, getting dressed, showering, rushing about, getting to the surgery can all play a part. Yes, your glucose was in the pre-diabetic range at the time you were tested, but cannot be said to be a diagnosis all on its own. Your doctor should have ordered the HbA1c test rather than send you away with vague information. That isn't to say the test was wrong, of course. It may be spot on.

Getting your own meter is a great idea, but in addition, I would ask for the HbA1c test. This tells you all about it
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/what-is-hba1c.html
 
The converter from mg/dl to mmol/l is here

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/blood-sugar-converter.html

It sounds to me that is was not an HbA1c, but was a fasting plasma glucose test (because of the measurement units)

The UK criteria is:

Fasting
Below 6.1 mmol/l (108mg/dl) is normal
6.1 to 6.9 mmol/l (108 to 125 mg/dl) is pre-diabetic
7 mmol/l and over (126 mg/dl) is diabetic

HbA1c tests are measured in different units, world-wide.

However, these fasting tests are unreliable, which is why they should be followed with an HbA1c to confirm.

They are unreliable because they do not simply rely on food. Other things can raise levels, and on fasting tests at a surgery this often happens. Anxiety and stress whilst anticipating the test, getting dressed, showering, rushing about, getting to the surgery can all play a part. Yes, your glucose was in the pre-diabetic range at the time you were tested, but cannot be said to be a diagnosis all on its own. Your doctor should have ordered the HbA1c test rather than send you away with vague information. That isn't to say the test was wrong, of course. It may be spot on.

Getting your own meter is a great idea, but in addition, I would ask for the HbA1c test. This tells you all about it
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/what-is-hba1c.html
 
That's very interesting Bluetit, thank you. I have been stressed to death since we moved and that was the reason for the blood test as the doc thought it may be Thyroid-related. I feel fine now though, and I really think overhauling my diet and exercising more since my "diagnosis" has helped a lot. Even if I'm not Pre this has been a huge wake up call for me. I will see how things go with the meter and then ask for a proper test...we are having to pay through the nose for private health insurance so I may as well use it!
 
You might find that cauliflower is a better choice than potato - and sweet potato is actually higher in carbs than the ordinary sort - I can't eat it though others find that they can - that is why you need a meter.
The doctor recommended rice cakes? I do sometimes wonder what planet they come from

Yes she pulled out a packet from her drawer and suggested I eat them when hungry! I wouldn't eat them beforehand never mind now. When I mentioned the bubble and squeak I should have added that was before this little episode and a real potato hasn't touched my lips since. I hope I can still have sweet potatoes...can't wait for my meter to come!
 
we are having to pay through the nose for private health insurance so I may as well use it!

Indeed you must use it! That is what it is there for. Do the premiums go up if you claim?
What is the situation with health care for free, being a European citizen (at the moment) Do you get anything for free. Just being nosy and curious!
 
You might find that cauliflower is a better choice than potato - and sweet potato is actually higher in carbs than the ordinary sort - I can't eat it though others find that they can - that is why you need a meter.
The doctor recommended rice cakes? I do sometimes wonder what planet they come from

Not ours.
 
You might find that cauliflower is a better choice than potato - and sweet potato is actually higher in carbs than the ordinary sort - I can't eat it though others find that they can - that is why you need a meter.
The doctor recommended rice cakes? I do sometimes wonder what planet they come from
Not ours.
 
Yes she pulled out a packet from her drawer and suggested I eat them when hungry! I wouldn't eat them beforehand never mind now. When I mentioned the bubble and squeak I should have added that was before this little episode and a real potato hasn't touched my lips since. I hope I can still have sweet potatoes...can't wait for my meter to come!
Carbs and Cals has boiled potatoes 15g carbs per 100g and sweet potatoes at 28g/100g; so, as far as I'm concerned, they're just about radioactive. It does tend to be on a long list of things HCPs tell you that you can eat, but can't.
You need to test before and after meals to see how your BG is affected by different food choices.
 
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