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kazd63

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Diet only
Just had first conversation with diabetic nurse. She told me creamed spinach would spike me because fat turns to sugar in the body. Not apparently the carbs in the flour. However the peppers and onions were fine fried in oil .
 
JoKalsbeek said:
Again with the fat-turns-to-sugar thing... Where are they getting this from?!
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They just made it up. I've just spoken to my Health Centre to ask what happened to my 6 monthly blood test. Apparently, they've changed it to 12 months now and didn't bother to tell me.
 
I think you've already found out that a number of us listen politely to the diabetic nurse's advice and then figure out what works for us as individuals.

Some of us also challenge the advice, but I haven't had the guts to do that. I just go with the 'smile and get on with it' approach.

My diabetic nurse retired and handed everything over to my GP, so I've managed to catch him on his learning curve, and he was over the moon I got my HBA1C from 89 to 48 with low carb eating. He was all for self-monitoring blood glucose (that may be just be because I told him that was what I was already doing and he didn't have to fund it!) and the one little piece of eating advice he gave was to keep experimenting with what carb-y foods spiked me too high in the hope that I could maybe add some more in. Which is what I'd like too. If I totally analysed it, he might have been pushing that the Eatwell plate with carbs was the way to go, but quite frankly, I agreee with his advice. If only I could find those elusive carbs that work...!
 
I find it odd that a nurse can be giving out info like that which is medically incorrect. Humans cannot convert fat to sugar in the way that she is implying - I think we lack the appropriate enzymes to do it. High fat does delay the absorption of glucose, which is why I have to be careful with the amount of insulin I take for ice cream.

I've had a bit of a google and think this article explains it in straightforward terms, but there are a lot of articles explaining the science behind fats vs glucose etc as well in techy language. Perhaps print one out and show it to her next time!
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/can-fats-turned-glycogen-muscle-11127.html
 
Smallbrit said:
I think you've already found out that a number of us listen politely to the diabetic nurse's advice and then figure out what works for us as individuals.

Some of us also challenge the advice, but I haven't had the guts to do that. I just go with the 'smile and get on with it' approach.

My diabetic nurse retired and handed everything over to my GP, so I've managed to catch him on his learning curve, and he was over the moon I got my HBA1C from 89 to 48 with low carb eating. He was all for self-monitoring blood glucose (that may be just be because I told him that was what I was already doing and he didn't have to fund it!) and the one little piece of eating advice he gave was to keep experimenting with what carb-y foods spiked me too high in the hope that I could maybe add some more in. Which is what I'd like too. If I totally analysed it, he might have been pushing that the Eatwell plate with carbs was the way to go, but quite frankly, I agreee with his advice. If only I could find those elusive carbs that work...!
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Ah. Those magic carbs. I'm sure they really do exist. I just saw a unicorn.

Thing is I have FH so cholesterol needs to be kept on eye. I'm going to leave it a few weeks and get a form from another doctor.
 
Circuspony said:
I find it odd that a nurse can be giving out info like that which is medically incorrect. Humans cannot convert fat to sugar in the way that she is implying - I think we lack the appropriate enzymes to do it. High fat does delay the absorption of glucose, which is why I have to be careful with the amount of insulin I take for ice cream.

I've had a bit of a google and think this article explains it in straightforward terms, but there are a lot of articles explaining the science behind fats vs glucose etc as well in techy language. Perhaps print one out and show it to her next time!
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/can-fats-turned-glycogen-muscle-11127.html
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Hibernating bears have the enzyme if my memory serves me well. (40yr old education lol)
 
I don't understand this shocking advice from nurses. My mother trained as nurse in 1950's and what she does not know about diet and digestion could be written on a postage stamp. She has been nothing but supportive of my reduction in carbohydrates in my diet, I just told her to think back to the advice she would give to a diabetic when she was nursing. The food labels make it much easier now than it was then and the self testing kit is a huge advance. Even at school I learnt that 'fat does not make you fat, carbohydrate makes you fat', it was basic 'O'level biology. The 'low fat' revolution has a lot to answer for in terms of disinformation. As for needing carbohydrate for the brain, the tutors and researchers at some of the most prestigious universities come in all shapes and sizes, few are slim, semi anorexic build, which they would be if the brain needed sugar to function.
Rant over.
 
kazd63 said:
Just had first conversation with diabetic nurse. She told me creamed spinach would spike me because fat turns to sugar in the body. Not apparently the carbs in the flour. However the peppers and onions were fine fried in oil .
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Smallbrit said:
I think you've already found out that a number of us listen politely to the diabetic nurse's advice and then figure out what works for us as individuals.

Some of us also challenge the advice, but I haven't had the guts to do that. I just go with the 'smile and get on with it' approach
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I would have done in the past. Unfortunately now, it makes these meetings very awkward.
 
Hi. As other's have said, the nurse is talking rubbish and is proferring the (wrong) advice that fats are bad for you. She should, of course, have mentioned the carbs instead. Keep reading these forums and you should find more valid advice
 
Daibell said:
Hi. As other's have said, the nurse is talking rubbish and is proferring the (wrong) advice that fats are bad for you. She should, of course, have mentioned the carbs instead. Keep reading these forums and you should find more valid advice
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Oh she did mention carbs, I need them and apparently I should be eating jacket potatoes, potato wedges with skin on, rice (albeit she did say brown), wholemeal bread and pasta. What spiked my sugars was apparently the fat in creamed spinach, not the flour that I used to make the sauce. I would say that more than likely it was the milk, flour, possibly the butter (although I might have used olive oil, can't remember) but the cream of which there was only a little would have been fine.

I don't need to test either, so not sure how I am supposed to tell what is spiking my blood, she also said they stopped the glucose tests over a year ago, because it is only testing in that moment. I thought that was the whole point, they test your fasting blood, give you a load of glucose and then test you two hours later to see what your body has done with the glucose.
 
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