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The Big Fat Lie...16 Years On...

kokhongw

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I reversed my Type 2
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For those of us who only learn about low carbs in recent years...we always get told that it is THE latest FAD diet... :D

2002 Article
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html

But in reality, it has been repeatedly dismissed and ignored for years...decades...while hundreds of millions continued to struggle with their daily glucose/insulin controls and the resulting complications.

The primary role of insulin is to regulate blood-sugar levels. After you eat carbohydrates, they will be broken down into their component sugar molecules and transported into the bloodstream. Your pancreas then secretes insulin, which shunts the blood sugar into muscles and the liver as fuel for the next few hours. This is why carbohydrates have a significant impact on insulin and fat does not. And because juvenile diabetes is caused by a lack of insulin, physicians believed since the 20's that the only evil with insulin is not having enough.

But insulin also regulates fat metabolism. We cannot store body fat without it. Think of insulin as a switch. When it's on, in the few hours after eating, you burn carbohydrates for energy and store excess calories as fat. When it's off, after the insulin has been depleted, you burn fat as fuel. So when insulin levels are low, you will burn your own fat, but not when they're high.

This is where it gets unavoidably complicated. The fatter you are, the more insulin your pancreas will pump out per meal, and the more likely you'll develop what's called ''insulin resistance,'' which is the underlying cause of Syndrome X. In effect, your cells become insensitive to the action of insulin, and so you need ever greater amounts to keep your blood sugar in check. So as you gain weight, insulin makes it easier to store fat and harder to lose it. But the insulin resistance in turn may make it harder to store fat -- your weight is being kept in check, as it should be. But now the insulin resistance might prompt your pancreas to produce even more insulin, potentially starting a vicious cycle. Which comes first -- the obesity, the elevated insulin, known as hyperinsulinemia, or the insulin resistance -- is a chicken-and-egg problem that hasn't been resolved. One endocrinologist described this to me as ''the Nobel-prize winning question.''
 
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When you consider that William Banting's "Letter on Corpulence" was written in 1863 it becomes even more obvious that LCHF has been going on for centuries. And of course was probably what our ancestors ate before we all got Type 2.
 
we always get told that it is THE latest FAD diet

Only by people who don't know what they are talking about. As bulkbiker says, William Banting's "Letter on Corpulence" was written in 1863. He undertook his dietary changes at the suggestion of physician Dr. William Harvey, who in turn had learnt of this type of diet in the context of diabetes management, from attending lectures in Paris by Claude Bernard. Bernard had established how glucose was made in the body as early as 1848.

Shortly after my diagnosis over 20 years ago I suggested to my doctor that I cut my carbs and he gave a very emphatic "DON'T". Stupidly I believed him, these days (different GP) I will question any advice given, or at least check it out with other sources.
 
Has anyone got a translation into english for this? It is almost unreadable and the author is trying to baffle us all with science.

There appears to be a hidden agenda behind it. I think I got the message that both the Energy In <> Energy expended model (CM) and also the Insulin causes obesity model (CIM) are wrong and ineffective in controlling obesity and fat accumulation. They pooh pooh the idea that ketosis burns adipose fat, and so end up with nothing on the plate except presumably Eatwell.

Edit: at the end of the article there is a declaration of conflict of interest that may give a clue. nudge, nudge
 
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Has anyone got a translation into english for this? It is almost unreadable and the author is trying to baffle us all with science.

There appears to be a hidden agenda behind it. I think I got the message that both the Energy In <> Energy expended model (CM) and also the Insulin causes obesity model (CIM) are wrong and ineffective in controlling obesity and fat accumulation. They pooh pooh the idea that ketosis burns adipose fat, and so end up with nothing on the plate except presumably Eatwell.
I thought it was a load of cobblers, myself!
 

My simple take is that all they are trying to say is that the Carbs Insulin Model cannot explain everything about obesity related T2D...it is more complex...which we are agree. "No one size fit all"?

But my main gripe is that the Carbs insulin model works well for a lot more people than they are prepared to accept. Their insistence to wait for "evidence" simply sends millions down the path of no remission, because it is never even attempted.
 
You only have to ask farmers, through the ages, what they use to fatten the sheep and pigs - carbs. (yes, i come from a long farming family, as does my husband, hence the frequent farming references)
 
That's the "last" thing I would have said. :)
Agree. I would have said young and vigorous cobblers myself.

Why do you feel this way? Did the article have anything in it that was evidence based that I missed? After all I did spend most of my time with my nose buried in a dictionary trying to make sense of what POV it was trying to make.
 
I wouldnt give up a play on words for the luxury of speaking the truth! :) ;)

As the cobbler said to his apprentice, "Get me that last!" and when the apprentice waited and didn't move he got a kick up the backside!

Agree. I would have said young and vigorous cobblers myself.

Why do you feel this way? Did the article have anything in it that was evidence based that I missed? After all I did spend most of my time with my nose buried in a dictionary trying to make sense of what POV it was trying to make.
 
I wouldnt give up a play on words for the luxury of speaking the truth! :) ;)

As the cobbler said to his apprentice, "Get me that last!" and when the apprentice waited and didn't move he got a kick up the backside!
Oh the subtlety of it all. Such stealth! At last the penny drops. Your story reminds me of that sequence in Fantasia. Too many brooms up the bustle for my liking!
 
This is a review of the current ADA standards of care and results of the VirtaHealth trial of the keto diet for type 2. So conflicts of interest but worth a listen.
Like others I find the carb insulin model of diaobesity to be a compelling story but am very open to other explanations.
 
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