What was your fasting blood glucose? (with some chat)

[ianpspurs]

blackberries are not ripe here yet, just as well perhaps, I haven't got room for any in the freezer at the moment

Great numbers as usual @geefull. Blackberries have been ripe here for about 3 weeks and are very much larger than normal.
@Flora123 the 2 hr after fbg time slot seems to be very common for highest level of the day and the feelings you are experiencing are both common and definitely pushing up levels.

 

[OrsonKartt]

7.0 at 6.30 for me but going out so out of interest did again at 8.30 and it is 8.5 now. Not eaten only had water. HOW? So confused by recent readings

You could try a small amount of food before going out. I find if I dont eat a little something my sugars increase until I do. .. I start the day with bullet proof coffee ( coffee with butter). and a few walnuts. Then when I can a couple of scramble eggs which take only a few mins to cook and eat... That sets me up till lunch..

 

[HarryBeau]

Now and again they dont go amiss ...

Orson low carb home made puddings are fine...I have them a few times a week & serve them to guests...they'd never know the difference...honest...you can trust me I'm not a doctor

 

[OrsonKartt]

Thanks. I thought dawn phenomenon was early when you wake and not two hours later. So a further two hours on it is now 8.8!!! Not eaten today yet. It was all going so well. Suffering with terrible butterflies/adrenaline surges the past week or so whenever I think of various problems at the moment. Could this be affecting the readings?

... what would life be without friends eh? ....

 

[HarryBeau]

5.8 today, very misty in Cornwall hope it clears later.

Happy Birthday @Cumberland I hope you have a wonderful day.

@OrsonKartt what a lovely friend you have to make you a low carb crumble.

@Bubbsie could you post your clafoutis recipe? I noticed loads of blackberries down the lane yesterday and was going to take the granddaughters to ouck some later.
@Flora123 look up ‘dawn phenomenon’ it happens to everyone to some extent. There are so many confusing and seemingly contrasting aspects to this disease.

Yep I certainly can DJC...just back from a walk with |Harry...a quick coffee (much needed after walking him).then I'll post it...be careful though it only lasted me a day and a half

 

[rhubarb73]

@Bubbsie @DJC3 @Goonergal and others amused / interested in the DESMOND experience
I just wanted to add a note of balance. As well as demonstrating what we already know about the course, that it takes a polar opposite view of dietary control to most of us, I did get a sense in the room of what the NHS is up against, and why the course isn’t all bad.

I never want to consider myself superior to anyone else, or criticise a fellow T2D for their choices. I was amazed though at the lack of knowledge and understanding in the room of the condition, and basic nutritional facts. (“I don’t really understand what carbohydrates are”).

Very few of the participants (who each had diagnoses for between 6 and 10 weeks) had started to take more than cursory steps to manage the condition. With a couple of exceptions, I didn’t get a sense of real motivation to really tackle the condition head on, and quite a bit of fatalism. People were engaged, interested and chatty, but the attitude to the condition seemed a bit of a shrug of the shoulders, and desire to maintain as much of the things they enjoy as possible (“I like ice cream, I want to know how much I can eat”).

I was the only one citing Low Carb, finger prick-testing, online research, seeking out other T2’s advice, and I was only person able to point to real health improvements in the short period since diagnosis – lower Hba1c, cholestol down, BP down, weight down 13%. One of the presenters said she was surprised the Dr had referred me on the course given the improvements I’d already made by myself.

I wanted to get across to them that I’m not some superfit athlete achieving things beyond the average man-in-the-street – I’m just a 44 year slightly overweight diabetic just following good advice and really putting some effort and determination in. Everyone can do that within the limits of their mobility.

Whilst I’m dismayed that the course diet material focusses on fat and not carbs, I did feel that it played to the crowd. I genuinely think some of those people will follow the advice they got, and they will lose some weight and get some health benefits as a result. I think if I’d started a debate in the room about Low-Carb I would have confused the hell out of people and overall it would have been counterproductive. I can't save everyone - advocate not evangalist.

I wish them well because they are all really lovely people.

 

[OrsonKartt]

Orson low carb home made puddings are fine...I have them a few times a week & serve them to guests...they'd never know the difference...honest...you can trust me I'm not a doctor

.... puddings are truly lovely... I dont know if I'd want them as a regular life style now though... when friends come round sure thing... but not entirely sure that I'd want to regain that taste for sweetness now I've distanced myself from it. Dont get me wrong I still love food, maybe more so than ever.... just maybe not the sweet thing... Time will tell....

 

[Flora123]

You could try a small amount of food before going out. I find if I dont eat a little something my sugars increase until I do. .. I start the day with bullet proof coffee ( coffee with butter). and a few walnuts. Then when I can a couple of scramble eggs which take only a few mins to cook and eat... That sets me up till lunch..

I’ve been ok up until now whether I eat or not. I was saving my carbs for a lunch out will try that tomorrow and see what happens thanks.

 

[Flora123]

... what would life be without friends eh? ....

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[DJC3]

Seems to be a bumper year for blackberries all over and they are significantly bigger this year. Also, lots of sloes - has anyone made sloe gin with non sugar sweetener.?

No, I used to make raspberry gin, it was glorious. Definitely worth looking into.

 

[ianpspurs]

@Bubbsie @DJC3 @Goonergal and others amused / interested in the DESMOND experience
I just wanted to add a note of balance. As well as demonstrating what we already know about the course, that it takes a polar opposite view of dietary control to most of us, I did get a sense in the room of what the NHS is up against, and why the course isn’t all bad. I can't save everyone - advocate not evangalist. I wish them well because they are all really lovely people.

@rhubarb73 You have touched on something I have been thinking more and more. We on here are a very self selecting audience and as the phrase goes we are talking in our own silo at times. It is not common to gainsay medical consensus and invest so much emotional capital, time - and often money - doing something traditionally regarded as a waste of time. Anecdotally, you have provided me with today's fix of confirmation bias.

 

[HarryBeau]

5.8 today, very misty in Cornwall hope it clears later.

Happy Birthday @Cumberland I hope you have a wonderful day.

@OrsonKartt what a lovely friend you have to make you a low carb crumble.

@Bubbsie could you post your clafoutis recipe? I noticed loads of blackberries down the lane yesterday and was going to take the granddaughters to ouck some later.
@Flora123 look up ‘dawn phenomenon’ it happens to everyone to some extent. There are so many confusing and seemingly contrasting aspects to this disease.

As promised:

Blackberry Clafoutis

Serves 6

Ingredients

200g blackberries (could also use raspberries or the traditional cherries)
150ml double cream
2 large eggs
100g Tesco ground almonds
100g Natural & Low Carb Kitchens inulin powder
30g Tesco unsalted butter
15g Indigo Herbs Nutrition vanilla powder (can sub for 1 Tbsp vanilla extract)
you can either use 100gs of inulin (which can have an unfortunate effect on the tum) or 80gs of xylitol or a sweetener of your choice (I used xylitol & sprinkled a little on the fruit in the bottom of the otherwise it can be quite tart)
Method
Preheat oven to 180c and butter a baking dish, place berries in the bottom of the dish
In a bowl combine eggs, almonds, cream and vanilla, melt the butter and stir into the mixture
Gently fold in the inulin
Pour the mixture over the blackberries and bake for 30-35 minutes until golden

Tip - enjoy warm with extra cream

 

[rhubarb73]

@rhubarb73 It is not common to gainsay medical consensus and invest so much emotional capital, time - and often money - doing something traditionally regarded as a waste

Wise man he say: “the dog can swim faster than the rabbit, but the rabbit cannot row the boat, only swim and hope for the best.”

 

[HarryBeau]

No, I used to make raspberry gin, it was glorious. Definitely worth looking into.

I love GIN

 

[HarryBeau]

@Bubbsie @DJC3 @Goonergal and others amused / interested in the DESMOND experience
I just wanted to add a note of balance. As well as demonstrating what we already know about the course, that it takes a polar opposite view of dietary control to most of us, I did get a sense in the room of what the NHS is up against, and why the course isn’t all bad.

I never want to consider myself superior to anyone else, or criticise a fellow T2D for their choices. I was amazed though at the lack of knowledge and understanding in the room of the condition, and basic nutritional facts. (“I don’t really understand what carbohydrates are”).

Very few of the participants (who each had diagnoses for between 6 and 10 weeks) had started to take more than cursory steps to manage the condition. With a couple of exceptions, I didn’t get a sense of real motivation to really tackle the condition head on, and quite a bit of fatalism. People were engaged, interested and chatty, but the attitude to the condition seemed a bit of a shrug of the shoulders, and desire to maintain as much of the things they enjoy as possible (“I like ice cream, I want to know how much I can eat”).

I was the only one citing Low Carb, finger prick-testing, online research, seeking out other T2’s advice, and I was only person able to point to real health improvements in the short period since diagnosis – lower Hba1c, cholestol down, BP down, weight down 13%. One of the presenters said she was surprised the Dr had referred me on the course given the improvements I’d already made by myself.

I wanted to get across to them that I’m not some superfit athlete achieving things beyond the average man-in-the-street – I’m just a 44 year slightly overweight diabetic just following good advice and really putting some effort and determination in. Everyone can do that within the limits of their mobility.

Whilst I’m dismayed that the course diet material focusses on fat and not carbs, I did feel that it played to the crowd. I genuinely think some of those people will follow the advice they got, and they will lose some weight and get some health benefits as a result. I think if I’d started a debate in the room about Low-Carb I would have confused the hell out of people and overall it would have been counterproductive. I can't save everyone - advocate not evangalist.

I wish them well because they are all really lovely people.

On all fours with my experience & views on diabetes education rhubarb

 

[HarryBeau]

I went for a relaxed walk with Harry...it was hot but not too hot...a slight breeze...really enjoying the whole experience...into the post office first to buy a card for my G.daughter…our post mistress (that term may not be PC nowadays but it's such a lovely nostalgic title I still use it) is very dog friendly we often see her with her dogs in the park...we (Harry and me) are now socially ostracised...why?...because Harry peed all over the rack of gift bags on display in the Post Office...I hang my head in shame.

 

[Jenniewren1958]

Morning all 7.5 today

 

[ianpspurs]

Wise man he say: “the dog can swim faster than the rabbit, but the rabbit cannot row the boat, only swim and hope for the best.”

I have absolutely no idea what that means but feel like I should

 

[rhubarb73]

I have absolutely no idea what that means but feel like I should

I think it means only give people tools that they can and will use.

 

[ianpspurs]

I think it means only give people tools that they can and will use.

Ok then I think it is along the lines of: "do not try to teach a pig to read. It will only frustrate you and annoy the pig" Trotted out by some total clownshoe. attempting to justify not trying to get GCSE level qualifications for certain groups of students.