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Medication that I believe caused my Type 2 Diabetes

FIGARO5

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I was diagnosed ten years ago totally out of the blue. I was not obese, had no family history a fairly good diet as I have IBS and I am Lactose intolerant. The only major condition I have is Clinical Depression and a General Anxiety Disorder which went haywire on diagnosis. I was put on metformin 1000 mg per day which was increased to 1500mg about two tears ago. I then read of type 2 being caused by some antidepressants and one of them was mine Duloxetine 120mg per day which I have been on for 12 years. I am in a catch 22 situation as I constantly stress about my Diabetes due to my anxiety which causes my sugars to fluctuate madly. Has anyone else had a link between duloxetine and type 2 Diabetes. I am sick of being judged every time I say I am Diabetic. My GP is just not listening, Thanks
 
Sorry but I have no answers for you. It seems that judgement will be passed on T2 whatever the cause/s.
We can sometimes go through a phase of 'why me?' and try to apportion blame but in my opinion this serves only to slow down our progress toward acceptance. You may never find out with 100% certainty whether it was the medication that was the cause of your T2 (I was in a similar situation to you at diagnosis but without antidepressants and yet I still got the T2 label).

I honestly beleive that energy would be better spent on concentrating on staying as well as possible both physically and mentally, we cannot change what has gone before. Again, I'm sorry that this is not the answeryou are looking for but I wish you all the best for the future.
 
Don't apologise I think you are right, my son tells me I stress too much and take my blood sugar readings to often!! to me food is my enemy which I know is wrong. I am starting counselling next week perhaps it's time to address my issues. Thank you for being honest with me much appreciated
 
Hi @FIGARO5 and welcome I’m tagging @daisy1 for in case you’ve not had the welcome pack.
Like you I’m convinced that anxiety and depression was one of main causes of my diabetes. As a carer I had severe depression and anxiety for many years - 20ish - with lots of medication. I think it’s very complex as stress puts your bgs up but in addition I tended to associate carby foods with comfort and giving me a lift so my high carb way of eating was also a big contributor too.
I decided to follow a LCHF way of eating to address my diabetes - I had hbaca1 of 97 at diagnosis- and found that eating this way with the energy it gave me, the weight loss and my keenness to walk more etc helped not only to lower my bgs but also to lift my anxiety and depression. I not only eventually came off my Metformin and blood pressure meds but also the anti depressants I’d been taking for about 20 years! I’ve now been drug free for more than a year, feel very healthy, have hbaca1 of 30 and love life. My main raiser of bg is still stress rather than food - as I eat lowcarb - but I make a big effort to build stress management into my daily life so that caring dosent grind me down. I do mindfulness using the headspace app every day.
I’m not saying it’s easy - you need to push at it - but the rewards are worth it. Make food your friend keep testing but learn from it by testing two hours after eating you’ll work out which food suits your bgs and that will start making you feel a sense of achievement as you get it right. As I’ve gone keto - and stayed that way for a year + my mind has cleared and I’m sure that once you start to get the rewards it will get better.
Counselling sounds good too as a way of working out how you can move forwards. Good luck moving ahead start with lowering those carbs and getting your bgs down and the rest will follow in time.
 
Not much to add, seroxat triggered my Type 2 diabetes. You are not alone in this, and we will all support you in your journey with diabetes. Many of of also have experience of depression and anxiety.
 
@FIGARO5
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Difficult problem (sorry - not very helpful).
Just having depression doubles ones risk of future diabetes; it is not clear why. Depressed folk may exercise less and eat more / become obese, but this overall does not explain this increased risk, and does not in you. Insulin resistance in the liver leads to T2DM, and I believe that mouse models (ie not totally reliable and I might be getting things wrong) suggest that insulin resistance of the brain might lead to depression. There is an abstract here;-
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4371978/

So, the point is that the depression might have lead to the diabetes, but it might be that the underlying problem in T2DM (insulin resistance) in the liver causes diabetes and in the brain causes depression.

I used to prescribe a moderate amount of SSRIs cos I thought they were relatively harmless, until I was given them myself, and got side effects (awful anxiety). Problems with low dose mirtazepine (drowsy with increased appetite) and duloxetine 20mg.

Some studies have show that anti-depressants improve DM control, presumably by improving healthy life style and self care. One (as with all meds) has to balance benefit and harm, and this is not always clear.

best wishes
 
I was diagnosed ten years ago totally out of the blue. I was not obese, had no family history a fairly good diet

Welcome to the forum, I hope that you will receive some useful comments from this forum, there's enough of us. I've had 21 years to consider my diagnosis way back in 1997. Not a shock for me because my very skinny father was type II, his sister was type I and I had 2 type II cousins, neither of them overweight. So, although the media like to paint this picture of lots of overweight people becoming diabetic, it's not entirely accurate.

I thought I had a good diet, no processed food, no cake, chocolate etc.

I then read of type 2 being caused by some antidepressants and one of them was mine Duloxetine

I wasn't familiar with Duloxetine, so I googled. It's also used for the management of diabetic peripheral neuropathy and may raise Blood Glucose. So, although there is a link, it doesn't mean it's the cause. There are far too many other factors.

I am in a catch 22 situation as I constantly stress about my Diabetes due to my anxiety which causes my sugars to fluctuate madly.

Stress can affect BG in a big way, at least in my experience it has been. Recently I tried to persuade my dad to get into online banking because I wasn't happy making a 60 mile round trip, just to transfer funds from one account to another. My sister gave me all sorts of grief and although I didn't feel stressed, my BG was all over the place.

I am sick of being judged every time I say I am Diabetic.

Judged in what way? If people want to judge you for being diabetic, then they have a problem, not you. Nobody wants to be diabetic and it's not anyone faults, although personally I feel NICE dietary guidelines, one size fit all, may have something to do with it.

All the best.
 
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