can we achieve the same results with different numbers on diagnosis

[Charis1213]

I have noticed some type 2's when diagnosed were only in the 50's and some of us over a 100 , we then go on the said diet and get our blood numbers under control .

Are those of us with higher numbers upon diagnosis at a greater risk of problems than those with lower numbers ?

 

[Mbaker]

What I can say is the 134 mmol/L I had at diagnosis made me feel like death warmed up. As the body would be saturated with more glucose the higher the number it stands to reason those of us in that bracket are extremely at risk. Many get diagnosed with Type 2 and are symptom less. I am sure I would have had a major event without a significant change and reduction of sugars.

It is possible with high numbers to get into the non-diabetic range. I went from 14.4% to 7.5% in a quarter - had I truly knew what I was doing I could have gone much lower, as I was eating Paleo-ish (which I think had I been like that for most of my life would have been fine). I think I would have to go zero carb to get closer to the low end of remission and maybe not have berries or low gi vegetables. I am happy to stay in the non-diabetic numbers for the additional low carb choices.

In the second quarter I am going to absolutely slaughter my body physically, as I want a significant turn over of cells, as I am working on another hypothesis about physicality, conditioning and metabolic health.

 

[Bluetit1802]

I have noticed some type 2's when diagnosed were only in the 50's and some of us over a 100 , we then go on the said diet and get our blood numbers under control .

Are those of us with higher numbers upon diagnosis at a greater risk of problems than those with lower numbers ?

The higher the blood glucose levels and the longer they have been high, the more risk of complications there is. Who knows what damage has already been done before diagnosis and before getting it under control...... That is a question I doubt any of us can answer.

 

[Freema]

I have noticed some type 2's when diagnosed were only in the 50's and some of us over a 100 , we then go on the said diet and get our blood numbers under control .

Are those of us with higher numbers upon diagnosis at a greater risk of problems than those with lower numbers ?

well yes , when having too high blood glucose in average or too high spikes frequently we are more prone to a lot of diseases and becoming handicapped like going blind or have infections that can´t get controlled and stopped before they develop fatally.

but it is different in every case and usually hard to predict in exactly what way the bad adding diseases might hit us..in this site you can read of some of the statistic connection to adding diseases.. but there are plenty of unmentioned conditions one could be unlucky to achieve instead or as well

https://www.bloodsugar101.com/organ-damage-and-blood-sugar-level

 

[DCUKMod]

@Charis1213 - I tend to try to concentrate on keeping on today's straight and narrow, rather than waste brain space on worry about yesterdays diversions (figuratively speaking). For me, that's just a form of self-harm, with something I simply can't change.

 

[Member496333]

Yes the higher the blood glucose, the more saturated your entire body is - more is spilling out into the blood. Therefore the person with the higher numbers and the greater time in that range is significantly more likely to suffer complications and has an increased likelihood that they will be severe or even fatal.

Regarding getting the same results, do you mean getting down to the same levels of control? Yes, in theory. All else being equal, a person at 100mmol/mol can in time get down to 30mmol/mol just the same as someone else who started at 50mmol/mol. However it depends greatly on the intensity of the intervention. See my recent “eat to the meter, or play the long game?” discussion thread for my thoughts on the subject

 

[jjraak]

I have noticed some type 2's when diagnosed were only in the 50's and some of us over a 100 , we then go on the said diet and get our blood numbers under control .

Are those of us with higher numbers upon diagnosis at a greater risk of problems than those with lower numbers ?

Hi @Charis1213
i'd say its like an old house, long discarded or an overgrown garden.

Due to our own limitations, we can only have one pair of hands to repair the dilapidation.
so the works takes us a year or two to clear the back log

Gawd knows what we'll find when we finally get it clearer and start moving things out, to begin the tidy up

i'd expect the 'potential' problems 'could' be more the longer things have been left to grow wild, so to speak.
however that doesn't necessarily mean they will,

As seen by marathon runners and other athletes, those who i would suspect of being 'healthier'
many have passed away unexpectedly, after a run etc.
and i've seen wizened old ladies carry huge amounts on their shoulders with barely a care.

we all have our own inherent strengths & weaknesses, and many won't know what they are until an illness strikes.
( wife's uncle sadly dropped dead in his 40's.. turns out he had some blood disorder know one knew about).
so,who knows what may befall us or others.

None of us are guaranteed any extra time, all we can do ONCE aware there are issues, is to do our best to take prompt action,
look after ourselves and cater for those we love.

You strike me as more no nonsense then a worrier, so I'm sure you've asked out of curiosity rather then fear.
( though for all of us, i'm sure that's walked the corridors in most of our minds at some point.)

And i am of the same viewpoint as DCUK Mod, no point in what if's..
it's 'HERE & NOW' that counts and what we do going forward.

You made the necessary diet modifications, you watch and monitor the usual potential symptoms,
your vigilant about your health, ...not much more you can really do, as i see it

your doing a great job so far.

For me..i'm going to do my best to keep up the tempo of this new lifestyle and WOE
and hopefully live a full & happy life.......................until told otherwise.

May the numbers forever be in our favour.

 

[Guzzler]

The way I look at it is like this: obviously before diagnosis I had no idea that I was Diabetic, I had none of the classic symptoms and the couple I did have I put down to getting older. Am I to worry or blame myself for something I was completely unaware of or save my energy to putting things right to the best of my ability?
The answer has been a no brainer for me from the start.
It took a very long time to get to the T2 diagnosis (no Pre Diabetes for me - straight to gaol, do not pass Go do not collect £200) but I am pleased with my efforts and falling A1c which means any damage done before diagnosis has at least been stalled and may possibly, given time, be reversed.

Hope for the future is where it is all at for me. Regret or worry about the past is futile, it serves no useful purpose imo.

 

[Member496333]

In the end, type 2 diabetes, once you have it, is a disease of choice. You can choose to beat it, live with it, or be beaten by it. You alone determine which outcome awaits.

 

[Major Buckmaster]

I started at 121. I don’t believe I had it for that long. I think the amount of fruit and sugary drinks I consumed over that terrible hot summer we had last year pushed my number sky high.

I haven’t had my next hba1c (Feb I think.) But by my numbers it should be in the 30s and I feel fine, other conditions are in remission and my eyes and feet are fine. I’m fitter than I ever was in recent years.

No point worrying about what has been. Focus on now and improving!

 

[Pinkorchid]

In the end, type 2 diabetes, once you have it, is a disease of choice. You can choose to beat it, live with it, or be beaten by it. You alone determine which outcome awaits.

I do not agree with that it is not always as simple as just choice for everyone. For some people for whatever reasons possibly other serious medical conditions they cannot get their diabetes really well controlled whatever they do and that is not their fault

 

[Member496333]

I do not agree with that it is not always as simple as just choice for everyone. For some people for whatever reasons possibly other serious medical conditions they cannot get their diabetes really well controlled whatever they do and that is not their fault

Fair comment. As with everything in life, there are exceptions. It’s true for the majority though. In my view at least

 

[briped]

Are those of us with higher numbers upon diagnosis at a greater risk of problems than those with lower numbers ?

I can't remember my numbers from when I was first diagnosed in 2005, but when I was "re-diagnosed" in 2015 (I'd been flying well under the radar till I had to be admitted for lung embolisms) they were 80something, and roughly the same late March 2018, so you see I've fallen off the waggon big time several times.
I don't know when they'll do my next Hba1C, but my last one from Jan. 10th was 41. Since then I've started ketoing in earnest, (less than 16g/carbs per day), and I've no doubt that my next Hba1C will be better. My FBGs have come down by 2.1mmol/l, and other readings down from an average of 5.6mmol/L to 5.0mmol/L measured over the last two weeks. I've lost a total of 21.5 kgs since late March, and 1 x 500mg of metformin, 1.2 mg of Victoza and 10mg of Jardiance.
As far as I know all I have to show for all these years of T2 is slight neuropathy of my feet and very problematic teeth. I actually dreamt that I lost 3 of them last night
I write all this not with the intention to brag, but to encourage you to keep going and stop worrying. I like to tell myself that if I could turn back time, I'd do so many things differently, but really? Would I? Only if I knew then what I know now, which I didn't.
It looks as if we're similar in age (I'm 58) , so chances are you'll be fine, if you keep doing what you're doing