Thanks @bullbiker for root sourcing.
When I couldn't see my daughter from across the room I would have taken on any protocol that would work long term. As a techy I like facts; the original meat causes cancer, was a dream a lady had who was the founder of modern movement setting the current agenda, not factual enough for me.
In order for me to change my stance, I would need the following:
- An explanation why the meat products causing cancer did not used to create the disease in the numbers seen today.
- Why when red meat consumption has gone down cancer rates are up, why.
- Why do societies that eat the most meat now in real time not get the cancer rates we do - Hong Kong for example and non western tribes.
- Why do studies always have an absolute risk of somewhere in the region of 1.x, compared to say 20.x plus for the link of lung cancer and smoking (i.e. no where near good enough results (unless you use slight of hand, relative risk)).
- Why are "results" of increased cancers not shared by say Virta Health, Duke, Intensive Dietary Management, Diabetes.co.uk Low Carb Programme and various other establishments who keep better records than a once in 17 year questionnaire. It is not clever to fool the general public with this poor science.
- Why is it always a certain group in favour of a certain protocol that is either directly involved in the studies, and or financially backing the studies.
- Why do mouse / rat studies always isolate a protein, over feed this a use a pre-cancer supplement to try to prove the point.
- Why can't there be a study of say footballers, who have meat in their diets - check their risks, replace the meat with vegetable proteins, and measure risks again. This could be done off season.
I could ask more questions, but suffice to say I am living the dietary life, these reports say create Type 2 and cancers, etc yet like 100,000's of others see the opposite. I accept that nitrates are not great, but neither are they good in vegetables. I accept that over charing meat is not good, but I have also seen the same for toast. I have seen that antioxidants in some vegetables have devastating effects on some autoimmune diseases - yet it is very quiet from some sectors when this is a real fact provable in humans.
I look forward to the reckoning. Bart Kay is currently in my opinion taking Joel Kahn to the cleaners (shame about the swearing as he has him pinned down on facts).
This for me sums up a lot of this: