Type 2 Is this high for a morning reading

[poemagraphic]

It would be useful to change your 'Type of Diabetes' in your Personal Details to ' Insulin dependent Type 2'.

There is not an option in the drop-down menu for that... however it does say in the next box... medication 'Insulin injection' and time and dose administered.

Is there a section I could add that detail as you suggest?
Po

 

[poemagraphic]

@poemagraphic. As a type 1 on insulin and wearing a Libre, it is surprising how a small amount of sugar raises levels. Perhaps try 1 biscuit if above 6 and 2 if around the 5 mark. And stay off the banana!

Great becca, That sounds like good advice. Thank you.
Po

 

[Prem51]

There is not an option in the drop-down menu for that... however it does say in the next box... medication 'Insulin injection' and time and dose administered.

Is there a section I could add that detail as you suggest
Po

Click on your username in top right corner. Click on 'Personal Details'. Under 'Type of diabetes' there is a drop down box which includes 'Insulin-dependent Type 2'. Select that, then go to bottom of the page and click on 'Save Changes'.
It helps for others to know you are using insulin when they reply to your posts, and they might not notice it in your signature.

 

[poemagraphic]

Click on your username in top right corner. Click on 'Personal Details'. Under 'Type of diabetes' there is a drop down box which includes 'Insulin-dependent Type 2'. Select that, then go to bottom of the page and click on 'Save Changes'.
It helps for others to know you are using insulin when they reply to your posts, and they might not notice it in your signature.

I don't seem to have that option on my drop down box

It begins:
Type 1
Type 2
Type 2 (Clicked both T2 no mention of Insulin-dependent on either)
Gestational

I feel as if I missing out now lol
Could you tell me if your second 'Type 2' in the list has this option 'Insulin dependent Type 2'. on your drop down menu please Prem. Sorry to be such a pain mate.

 

[Bluetit1802]

Click on your username in top right corner. Click on 'Personal Details'. Under 'Type of diabetes' there is a drop down box which includes 'Insulin-dependent Type 2'. Select that, then go to bottom of the page and click on 'Save Changes'.
It helps for others to know you are using insulin when they reply to your posts, and they might not notice it in your signature.

Not everyone has this option. Some do, some don't. There is a glitch in the website. I don't have it.

 

[Prem51]

I don't seem to have that option on my drop down box

It begins:
Type 1
Type 2
Type 2 (Clicked both T2 no mention of Insulin-dependent on either)
Gestational

I feel as if I missing out now lol
Could you tell me if your second 'Type 2' in the list has this option 'Insulin dependent Type 2'. on your drop down menu please Prem. Sorry to be such a pain mate.

No problem. Yes the third option in my drop down list is 'Insulin-dependent Type 2'. @Bluetit1802 says it doesn't show for some forum users.

 

[Krystyna23040]

Thank you for replying Tipetoo.
I am left feeling (at the moment) that it is not good to be that low before going to bed in case I have a hypo whilst I'm asleep.

On a side note I drive for a living so need to be 6 + really at the start of my day to ensure I stay above 5 whilst I drive. (for the next 2hrs before testing again)

I absolutely agree with @becca59 that 2 biscuits was too many.

Also, I was just wondering how low carb are you going at the moment. I was on Lantus and Novarapid Insulin but came off them after doing low carb then keto and I was a little concerned about your risk of hypos as you are on an awfully high dose of Lantus plus glicazine which also lowers blood sugars. If you are lowering carbs - have you spoken to your doctor or diabetes nurse about lowering the insulin or glic as your blood sugars go down?

 

[DCUKMod]

I don't seem to have that option on my drop down box

It begins:
Type 1
Type 2
Type 2 (Clicked both T2 no mention of Insulin-dependent on either)
Gestational

I feel as if I missing out now lol
Could you tell me if your second 'Type 2' in the list has this option 'Insulin dependent Type 2'. on your drop down menu please Prem. Sorry to be such a pain mate.

Poemagraphic - as bluetit says, there is a peculiarity whereby some members don't actually see the Type 2 with Insulin option on the drop down list. If it would be helpful, I can make that change for you, if you tag me and let me know.

 

[poemagraphic]

Poemagraphic - as bluetit says, there is a peculiarity whereby some members don't actually see the Type 2 with Insulin option on the drop down list. If it would be helpful, I can make that change for you, if you tag me and let me know.

Yes please, that would most helpful. Thank you very much.

I would like to say how informative and friendly this site is, and such a huge resource of support, information and help. I am so pleased to be a member.

Po

 

[poemagraphic]

I absolutely agree with @becca59 that 2 biscuits was too many.

Also, I was just wondering how low carb are you going at the moment. I was on Lantus and Novarapid Insulin but came off them after doing low carb then keto and I was a little concerned about your risk of hypos as you are on an awfully high dose of Lantus plus glicazine which also lowers blood sugars. If you are lowering carbs - have you spoken to your doctor or diabetes nurse about lowering the insulin or glic as your blood sugars go down?

Yes the nurse told me I could lower the dose to 9 which still left me having a low reading (below 4 ) during the day, every day so I dropped it to 8. Which I have been on for a week now. I still have had 6 readings below 5 this last week.
As I am about to start work next week after a month off with a virus (which really did set my BG off).... The reason why I was placed on Insulin and Glicaside upon admission to hospital. btw. I drive for a living so do NOT want to drop below 5 whilst I am on the road.

Before I drop it again I will contact the nurse for her advice.
Also I have been doing NOTHING for the last 4 weeks so once I become more active (I intend to start doing some cycling to tone up my saggy bum lol) I am sure that my BG will drop. (I eat 'Nothing' for 5 whole days and lost a stone in weight!)

I am averaging about 100 Carbs a day which seems about right for me at the moment.

I am not going to stress at night if my levels are below 8, if they drop to say 6 I will just have 1 biscuit then re-test when I get up for a wee. (normally about a couple of hours after going to bed.) It is all trail and error at the moment as I have had so many changes this last month.

Thank you for replying to me

Po

 

[poemagraphic]

Not everyone has this option. Some do, some don't. There is a glitch in the website. I don't have it.

Thank you saying... 'The mods' are going to do it for me!
Po

 

[Krystyna23040]

Yes the nurse told me I could lower the dose to 9 which still left me having a low reading (below 4 ) during the day, every day so I dropped it to 8. Which I have been on for a week now. I still have had 6 readings below 5 this last week.
As I am about to start work next week after a month off with a virus (which really did set my BG off).... The reason why I was placed on Insulin and Glicaside upon admission to hospital. btw. I drive for a living so do NOT want to drop below 5 whilst I am on the road.

Before I drop it again I will contact the nurse for her advice.
Also I have been doing NOTHING for the last 4 weeks so once I become more active (I intend to start doing some cycling to tone up my saggy bum lol) I am sure that my BG will drop. (I eat 'Nothing' for 5 whole days and lost a stone in weight!)

I am averaging about 100 Carbs a day which seems about right for me at the moment.

I am not going to stress at night if my levels are below 8, if they drop to say 6 I will just have 1 biscuit then re-test when I get up for a wee. (normally about a couple of hours after going to bed.) It is all trail and error at the moment as I have had so many changes this last month.

Thank you for replying to me

Po

That's great - you are definitely doing this the right way and are using insulin safely. It's also nice to hear that you have the support of your DN.

 

[DCUKMod]

Yes please, that would most helpful. Thank you very much.

I would like to say how informative and friendly this site is, and such a huge resource of support, information and help. I am so pleased to be a member.

Po

That's all done.

 

[poemagraphic]

That's all done.

Fantastic, thank you very much for your support.

 

[millenium]

This is very confusing. So if it’s dawn phenomenon which I understand why did I then wake up with a 4.4 today? Surely my liver should have dumped some sugar in my blood?

It’s only last few days it’s been in 6s otherwise (well since diagnosis when it was 15s etc it’s been 5s

Try investigating the amount of carb u took within 2 to 3 days and compare with the readings at that period. In my opinion, there could be a correlation. If you happen to find that there is a link, it means u need to lower your carb intake to a level that will keep your Bgl at the level you find to be ideal.

 

[aealexandrou]

I had a fairly low reading last night before bed... it was 6.8
I have been told "If it falls below 8" ... I should "Have a couple biscuits" which I did.
This morning my fbs upon waking was 9.1 That is the highest its been since I started testing daily 4 weeks ago.
So I retested this morning 30 mins later and it was down to 8. Still high.

My question is, what numbers are other's happy to 'go to bed' with?

I do fine all day then eat biscuits or have a banana before bed to raise my levels! above 8. I can't get my head round this yet?
Po
(I should mention I am T2 on insulin injection, once in the evening just before bed)

I don't understand why you would be told to have a couple of biscuits or having a banana? Telling a diabetic to eat sugar and or fructose before sleeping is plainly wrong.

Although difficult in this hectic life, it is best to eat at least 3 or more hours before you go to bed. In theory your BSL will fall to normal, or as normal as a T2D can be. 6.8 is high and if you are deliberately making yourself higher before sleeping, you might as well be poisoning yourself.

If you are not on a low carb, high fat diet, you should be, and if you can include some time restricted eating, i.e. only eat within a specified time period, starting at say 8 hours and reducing to 4 or less. That will eventually clear you of the sugar in your system activate your body to work of ketones i.e. energy from your internal fat, not insulin creating sugar. If you adopt the aforesaid diet, you will reduce your BSL, and because you are already taking insulin keep monitoring your BSL so that you can reduce and eventually come off insulin as your BSL improves.

Most T2D will usually have a higher BSL in the morning, because it is the body's natural way to prepare you for the day ahead after you wake up. If you poison yourself before you go to bed with sugar, your body will try to clear it within and by the time it does, will then dump sugar back into your system between 4 and 7 am in order to get you ready to wake up. All that you are doing is maintaining a high sugar and insulin state are a time of the day when you cannot regulate it with medication because you are asleep.

If you can start reducing your carb/sugar intake, you will still get a high morning reading, because its natural, but as your body moves over to relying on ketones for energy, that spike will gradually get smaller and smaller. If you continue to consume carbs, then all you will achieve is long term ill health as you dependence on external insulin continues to grow and you develop the complications associated with high insulin levels in the blood (if you haven't already), including obesity, diabetic neuropathy, retinopathy, kidney failure, heart disease, alzheimers, and limb amputations. T2D is in part or in whole reversible by everyone suffering this affliction.

 

[aealexandrou]

Thank you for replying Tipetoo.
I am left feeling (at the moment) that it is not good to be that low before going to bed in case I have a hypo whilst I'm asleep.

On a side note I drive for a living so need to be 6 + really at the start of my day to ensure I stay above 5 whilst I drive. (for the next 2hrs before testing again)

Unless you are T1D, your body will still be regulating your insulin and BSL to some extent. Unless you have experienced Hypoglycemia during your sleep, or have had good medical advice, and I emphasise 'good medical advice' of the need to maintain a high sugar intake before sleep, the risk of a Hypo is likely to be very small. Normal BSL is between 4 and 5, in which case, even if you are driving for a living, it is difficult to understand why you must be 6+ in the morning. Your body is naturally likely to make you higher in the morning anyway. Please read my threat above regarding diet and the need to get off external insulin as soon as you can.

 

[poemagraphic]

Thank you for replying I will check out your thread.

The DVLA state you must test every 2hrs on a long run ... If you fall below 5 you have to take 4 jelly babies and 10-20 mins later eat 2 Rich tea biscuits wait another 30 mins and retest. If my reading is below 5 I can not even start work until it has risen above 5.

 

[poemagraphic]

I don't understand why you would be told to have a couple of biscuits or having a banana? Telling a diabetic to eat sugar and or fructose before sleeping is plainly wrong.

Although difficult in this hectic life, it is best to eat at least 3 or more hours before you go to bed. In theory your BSL will fall to normal, or as normal as a T2D can be. 6.8 is high and if you are deliberately making yourself higher before sleeping, you might as well be poisoning yourself.

If you are not on a low carb, high fat diet, you should be, and if you can include some time restricted eating, i.e. only eat within a specified time period, starting at say 8 hours and reducing to 4 or less. That will eventually clear you of the sugar in your system activate your body to work of ketones i.e. energy from your internal fat, not insulin creating sugar. If you adopt the aforesaid diet, you will reduce your BSL, and because you are already taking insulin keep monitoring your BSL so that you can reduce and eventually come off insulin as your BSL improves.

Most T2D will usually have a higher BSL in the morning, because it is the body's natural way to prepare you for the day ahead after you wake up. If you poison yourself before you go to bed with sugar, your body will try to clear it within and by the time it does, will then dump sugar back into your system between 4 and 7 am in order to get you ready to wake up. All that you are doing is maintaining a high sugar and insulin state are a time of the day when you cannot regulate it with medication because you are asleep.

If you can start reducing your carb/sugar intake, you will still get a high morning reading, because its natural, but as your body moves over to relying on ketones for energy, that spike will gradually get smaller and smaller. If you continue to consume carbs, then all you will achieve is long term ill health as you dependence on external insulin continues to grow and you develop the complications associated with high insulin levels in the blood (if you haven't already), including obesity, diabetic neuropathy, retinopathy, kidney failure, heart disease, alzheimers, and limb amputations. T2D is in part or in whole reversible by everyone suffering this affliction.

That is why I can not understand for a second why my diabetic nurse would give me and everybody she sees this wrong advice.

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