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Hi there. My name is Wendy and I'm new to the forum. I've lurked a bit and decided to join and man has it been quite the journey thus far. I hope it's okay to share that here.

I'm from the US and I was diagnosed with Type II diabetes back in either 2001 or 2002..my early 20s. I also have another condition that makes me insulin resistant, which I was diagnosed with at about 16 but nothing was really done about it by the doctor. No idea why, thinking back on it. The condition also makes it more difficult to lose weight, so I've been overweight for the majority of my life. I was a normal weight up until about age 7 and by age 8, I'd gained 50lbs in one year after having my tonsils out. Doctors couldn't figure out why, given that my activity hadn't changed nor had my eating and my mother was always pretty health conscious.

Oh, I also have family history of diabetes. My father was diagnosed in his early 30s. His mother died with it when he was 19. Both of my maternal grandparents had it. My grandmother got it in her 50s. My grandfather, who died when my mother was 8, didn't know about it. It was undiagnosed and was discovered after he died that diabetes had been the culprit. My mother isn't diabetic, but a couple of her sisters are. Her paternal grandmother was also diabetic.

Anywho, I was first diagnosed with diabetes after going to the doctor for feeling thirsty all the time and the lethargic nature of mine during that time. It was rather scary. All I wanted to do was sleep and during a family reunion, I pretty much did that. They did the tests and said I was a diabetic. They put me on Metformin, which I couldn't stomach...literally. I've always had a sensitive stomach going back to childhood. It interfered with work and my life. My body never got used to it.

Between that time and 2009, I just didn't take any medication and even asked doctors to just put me on insulin since the oral medications didn't work well with me...but was denied it. I couldn't afford to anyway due to lack of insurance and the jobs I had never offered it. Due to the pre-existing condition, I was denied insurance most of the time or either the cost was sky high with their deductibles and premiums. I also didn't qualify for the state programs like Medicaid because I wasn't disabled and I wasn't on government assistance and didn't have children...so I continued to skip out on the meds.

In 2010, I moved to Japan for a teaching job. I didn't do anything about my diabetes then either and ignored it. I returned back to the US after the tsunami/earthquake incident in 2011 and did get a job...but of course, no insurance. I still ignored my diabetes issue since it just wasn't affordable and knew that insulin would probably work best for me at this point.

In 2012, I lost the job I'd gotten after returning home, and once again went back over to Japan to take on another job. At that point, I decided I should get myself in order. I had health insurance there. When they tested my a1c, it was at a 13. When prescribing medication, they gave me the choice of, well, choosing. I chose insulin. They also checked my eyes and even told me, within ten years, "you'll more than likely go blind". I was like, "Nope, not going to let that happen!", so I semi-got my act together. Taking my medications as prescribed and also, I was calculating my carb-to-insulin ratio. I forget how to do it now, but I was doing it a lot back then.

I moved a few more times, other areas of Japan and by the time I finally left (May 2018), my a1c had dropped to a 7.1. I was so glad. They were very thorough there and saw me every month, practically to work with me.

Now...being back in the US, I faced the same issues I had before I left...lack of insurance. Job I have currently doesn't offer it and the previous job I found after I did move back to the states did offer it, but it didn't kick in until October 2018...I quit the job because of the toxic nature of it in November. Prior to that, though, I had to pay for everything out of pocket. The money I had brought back with me from Japan soon ran out as well as the insulin supply I'd brought with me and I was missing doses just to save on the medication after a while. Because of the healthcare there, I had no idea that my insulin (NovaRapid, LantusXR) were so expensive here in the US. My a1c ended up jumping back up to an 11.

August of last year, I managed to find a prescription program that covered my insulin (had it changed to Humalog and Basaglar since they were cheaper...but not by much) and I'm getting that along with Jardiance (which is a more recent medication, which I started last year and altogether, just for these three meds cost at least $1500 altogether every month). It only costs me $60/month with the Rx Program I'm doing. I'm forever grateful for this program and discovering it last summer. As of January 2020, my a1c is at a 6.8 and I'm determined to get this thing put into remission. I just hope nothing happens with this prescription program. I can't rely on insurance...high deductibles and inadequate prescription coverage...so going to the doctor regularly is an issue...

Sorry for this long story. Just felt like sharing and I hope to get to know everyone here. ^_^
 
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Have you ever been tested to see if you actually need insulin?
As a type two, when starting out too much insulin is usually the problem.
By cutting out most high carbohydrate foods it is possible to reverse diabetes type two and return to normal.
Has no one ever mentioned that?
Has your pancreas now failed so you have to have insulin?
 
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Hi there.

Sorry for this long story. Just felt like sharing and I hope to get to know everyone here. ^_^
Hello Wendy,
It *is* a long story, and a heart wrenching one. Remission while using insulin isn't going to happen though... It'd mean being a-symptomatic, and not taking any medication, which for a T2, is actually still possible through diet. I've done it, a lot of people here have done it, and it's certainly cheaper than having to pay for your own insulin (and cheaper groceries than I used to do too...) https://josekalsbeek.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-nutritional-thingy.html <-- have a read here, see whether it resonates with you. If so, you might want to check out dietdoctor.com (no need to subscribe, plenty of info on there is free), and read Dr. Jason Fung's the Diabetes Code, or watch his youtube video's. (And I don't know what other condition you have that made insulin resistance worse, but I have PCOS myself, and nothing was done about that for me either... Weight loss with a wonky thyroid is difficult too. But I managed it on that diet.)

You're in a good place, this could well be the start of quite the turn around for you... Anyway, again, welcome, and I hope we can be of use. :)
Jo
 
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Have you ever been tested to see if you actually need insulin?
As a type two, when starting out too much insulin is usually the problem.
I was on oral medication sporadically until 2012, but the side effects were actually bothersome enough where I would miss work due to my sensitive stomach. In 2012 when I returned to Japan, the doctor was going to prescribe oral medication but then also mentioned that I could try insulin since my a1c was so high at a 13. something. I asked for and requested insulin. I figured it was the best choice. By that point, I'd already been diabetic for 9 or 10 years and also had...still have PCOS, which is known for causing insulin resistance.

As for being tested, yes I have...in Japan. 2014 iirc. I don't remember the number, but it was like borderline with someone that was Type I. Other than there, I've never been tested and I don't even want to try that here. Who knows how much that'll cost. T_T That aside, maybe the effects are reversing a bit anyway since I've been taking Jardiance.
By cutting out most high carbohydrate foods it is possible to reverse diabetes type two and return to normal.
Has no one ever mentioned that?
Yeah, in Japan, but even then, I tried limiting my carb intake. Also, as mentioned, here in the states, I didn't have as much guidance since going to the doctor regularly wasn't a thing. Couldn't afford it due to the lack of insurance.
Has your pancreas now failed so you have to have insulin?
I don't think so. I think it's reversing itself with help from the Jardiance along with diet. I'm not taking as much insulin these days because I don't need it's not needed. For instance, last night my blood glucose was 90. I skipped out on taking the Basaglar before bed. The Humalog is a sliding dose...20 - 40 units per meal...but lately I've been able to use less than 20 or none at all. I have been dieting more though and doing a low carb + low calorie diet as opposed to just low carb. It's working for me so far.
Gidday Wendy :)
Howdy Mike! Nice to meet you.
 

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Hello Wendy,
It *is* a long story, and a heart wrenching one. Remission while using insulin isn't going to happen though... It'd mean being a-symptomatic, and not taking any medication, which for a T2, is actually still possible through diet. I've done it, a lot of people here have done it, and it's certainly cheaper than having to pay for your own insulin (and cheaper groceries than I used to do too...)
I suppose remission wasn't the right word. Just get it to a normal level and see if I can maintain it with diet alone.
have a read here, see whether it resonates with you. If so, you might want to check out dietdoctor.com (no need to subscribe, plenty of info on there is free), and read Dr. Jason Fung's the Diabetes Code, or watch his youtube video's.
Thanks! I'll definitely do so.
(And I don't know what other condition you have that made insulin resistance worse, but I have PCOS myself, and nothing was done about that for me either... Weight loss with a wonky thyroid is difficult too. But I managed it on that diet.)
Yup, PCOS is the culprit. It's nice to come across another person with it. When were you diagnosed?

As for diet, I did get to a point where I was frustrated and my mood was low. I was in a "what's the point" mood since I ate normally, my mother prepared healthy meals growing up, but I was the one to end up with the weight issue and then diabetic...but that was long ago.

I would lose for a bit, but then gain back. I'm dieting now and it's semi working. Down nearly 30lbs from November.
You're in a good place, this could well be the start of quite the turn around for you... Anyway, again, welcome, and I hope we can be of use. :)
Jo
Thanks for the warm greeting. I'm sure I'll learn a lot. I have a goal....get myself as healthy as possible before my 40th birthday.
 

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I suppose remission wasn't the right word. Just get it to a normal level and see if I can maintain it with diet alone.Thanks! I'll definitely do so.Yup, PCOS is the culprit. It's nice to come across another person with it. When were you diagnosed?

As for diet, I did get to a point where I was frustrated and my mood was low. I was in a "what's the point" mood since I ate normally, my mother prepared healthy meals growing up, but I was the one to end up with the weight issue and then diabetic...but that was long ago.

I would lose for a bit, but then gain back. I'm dieting now and it's semi working. Down nearly 30lbs from November.
Thanks for the warm greeting. I'm sure I'll learn a lot. I have a goal....get myself as healthy as possible before my 40th birthday.
When was I diagnosed with PCOS...? Oof, way too late. My old GP could've know when my periods started way too early (I think I was nine or ten or something), and I bled out about twice a month or so. He didn't examine me, just put me on the pill and iron supplements, and called it good. The actual PCOS diagnosis didn't come until I was in my 30's, I think... They just happened across it when doing tests for another issue. (By then I also had skin issues, weight and hairy legs like a gorilla, but I always figured that was just the way I was). The doc called me with the results, and he said I'd just have trouble getting and then staying pregnant, which was a non-issue for me anyway. Not being capable of having kids naturally, was just an excellent way to get my mum-in-law off my back about the grandchildren neither I nor my husband wanted to give her. Never mentioned the insulin resistance, or my elevated blood sugars... The specialist didn't bring it up, and no-one after him did either. Being prediabetic has been in my medical file, but I guess everyone thought someone else'd talked to me about it already. Well, he hadn't, and they didn't.... So here I am, years later. Quite diabetic, while it could've been prevented if someone'd just told me so I'd know what I was looking for. My HbA1c's are excellent, and in the non- diabetic range now. But if I eat or drink something wrong, up my numbers go.

Diet-wise, when we wanted to get married, I wanted to fit nicely into a dress... (Years later I told my mom I had felt beautiful and feminine, even if I was still overweight, and she just went "Really?!". Thanks, mom. I did what I could). So being obese and troubled by that, I went to the hospital's dietician. The same one who gave me the exact same advice once I was a T2 by the way. and she told me to up the carbs and cut the fats. Within months of following her "healthy" advice to the letter, I was morbidly obese, and a few years after that, quite diabetic... Her response: "Maybe you're just supposed to be this way. get used to it." Great help there! I walked around undiagnosed with T2 for a few years. (I thought it was my thyroid). I was still large when we got married, but nowhere near as big as I was going to get eventually. So a "healthy" diet doesn't mean all that much... If the diet still includes bread, spuds, rice, corn, lots of fruit, cereal, pasta.... If your metabolic system's impaired, those things are exactly what'll pack the pounds on. I didn't know that, my dietician should have known that, but didn't.... So even when I had my diagnosis she came up with the same drivel. Ear carbs, cut fats. And I didn't have to come back again, because I wasn't going to deviate from my low carb, high fat eating, because I was already seeing a BIG drop in my blood sugars by the time she had time to see me. (Self tester here). So yeah... There's loads of people who come in here who adhered to the EatWell plate, or Slimming World, Weight Watchers, veganism.... And are very, very surprised when they're told carbs are the culprit, not the fats. I know it was a surprise to me, but I was willing to try it... The results in my blood sugars were instantaneous, so I stuck with it. And have ever since.

Just keep in mind that it's low carb, high fat for a reason. If you're calorie-counting as well, you might be hungry all the time and become deficient in a bunch of nutrients. It's a fast way to lose weight, yeah, but not sure how sustainable it is without starting to run now or vitamins and minerals. And since blood tests are a bit expensive if you have to cough them up yourself, I don't think you're keeping an eye on those levels? Just keep it in mind should you experience fatigue and such eh. In any case... From what I'm reading you're already well on your way. Oh, and one more thing: a low mood can actually be caused by high blood sugars... They influence our mood and personality, our emotions and whatnot... So keep with it. ;)
 

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The low carb diet has been so effective for me that I don't need to take medication, and have tested normal for years.
 

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Hi there. My name is Wendy and I'm new to the forum. I've lurked a bit and decided to join and man has it been quite the journey thus far. I hope it's okay to share that here.

I'm from the US and I was diagnosed with Type II diabetes back in either 2001 or 2002..my early 20s. I also have another condition that makes me insulin resistant, which I was diagnosed with at about 16 but nothing was really done about it by the doctor. No idea why, thinking back on it. The condition also makes it more difficult to lose weight, so I've been overweight for the majority of my life. I was a normal weight up until about age 7 and by age 8, I'd gained 50lbs in one year after having my tonsils out. Doctors couldn't figure out why, given that my activity hadn't changed nor had my eating and my mother was always pretty health conscious.

Oh, I also have family history of diabetes. My father was diagnosed in his early 30s. His mother died with it when he was 19. Both of my maternal grandparents had it. My grandmother got it in her 50s. My grandfather, who died when my mother was 8, didn't know about it. It was undiagnosed and was discovered after he died that diabetes had been the culprit. My mother isn't diabetic, but a couple of her sisters are. Her paternal grandmother was also diabetic.

Anywho, I was first diagnosed with diabetes after going to the doctor for feeling thirsty all the time and the lethargic nature of mine during that time. It was rather scary. All I wanted to do was sleep and during a family reunion, I pretty much did that. They did the tests and said I was a diabetic. They put me on Metformin, which I couldn't stomach...literally. I've always had a sensitive stomach going back to childhood. It interfered with work and my life. My body never got used to it.

Between that time and 2009, I just didn't take any medication and even asked doctors to just put me on insulin since the oral medications didn't work well with me...but was denied it. I couldn't afford to anyway due to lack of insurance and the jobs I had never offered it. Due to the pre-existing condition, I was denied insurance most of the time or either the cost was sky high with their deductibles and premiums. I also didn't qualify for the state programs like Medicaid because I wasn't disabled and I wasn't on government assistance and didn't have children...so I continued to skip out on the meds.

In 2010, I moved to Japan for a teaching job. I didn't do anything about my diabetes then either and ignored it. I returned back to the US after the tsunami/earthquake incident in 2011 and did get a job...but of course, no insurance. I still ignored my diabetes issue since it just wasn't affordable and knew that insulin would probably work best for me at this point.

In 2012, I lost the job I'd gotten after returning home, and once again went back over to Japan to take on another job. At that point, I decided I should get myself in order. I had health insurance there. When they tested my a1c, it was at a 13. When prescribing medication, they gave me the choice of, well, choosing. I chose insulin. They also checked my eyes and even told me, within ten years, "you'll more than likely go blind". I was like, "Nope, not going to let that happen!", so I semi-got my act together. Taking my medications as prescribed and also, I was calculating my carb-to-insulin ratio. I forget how to do it now, but I was doing it a lot back then.

I moved a few more times, other areas of Japan and by the time I finally left (May 2018), my a1c had dropped to a 7.1. I was so glad. They were very thorough there and saw me every month, practically to work with me.

Now...being back in the US, I faced the same issues I had before I left...lack of insurance. Job I have currently doesn't offer it and the previous job I found after I did move back to the states did offer it, but it didn't kick in until October 2018...I quit the job because of the toxic nature of it in November. Prior to that, though, I had to pay for everything out of pocket. The money I had brought back with me from Japan soon ran out as well as the insulin supply I'd brought with me and I was missing doses just to save on the medication after a while. Because of the healthcare there, I had no idea that my insulin (NovaRapid, LantusXR) were so expensive here in the US. My a1c ended up jumping back up to an 11.

August of last year, I managed to find a prescription program that covered my insulin (had it changed to Humalog and Basaglar since they were cheaper...but not by much) and I'm getting that along with Jardiance (which is a more recent medication, which I started last year and altogether, just for these three meds cost at least $1500 altogether every month). It only costs me $60/month with the Rx Program I'm doing. I'm forever grateful for this program and discovering it last summer. As of January 2020, my a1c is at a 6.8 and I'm determined to get this thing put into remission. I just hope nothing happens with this prescription program. I can't rely on insurance...high deductibles and inadequate prescription coverage...so going to the doctor regularly is an issue...

Sorry for this long story. Just felt like sharing and I hope to get to know everyone here. ^_^
I have PCOS as well and the only thing that helped with the symptoms was low carb. I cut out all grains beans potatoes and vegetable oils.
I dropped 60 pounds and my acne and sore joints cleared up. I still have some weight to lose but I’ve been able to maintain the weight loss and have non diabetic number for three years.
Talking insulin when you have insulin resistance will just make it more difficult to lose weight. And does nothing to help with PCOS.
 
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Hello and welcome,

You will find a lot of help and support on this site.

Since my diagnosis I have gone ultra low carb and have managed to keep my blood sugar levels in the normal range. It's a bit more complicated when on insulin. you will need to make sure you test regularly.

Good luck with managing it- it sounds like you have more than a few struggles to manage. I'm sorry the insurance thing is such an issue that must make it so much harder.

Good luck and welcome.
 
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Hiya Wendy

Interesting to read your story, welcome to the rollercoaster - it’s good in here someone ALWAYS has your back

Barbara