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COVID 2019 Comorbidity with Diabetes

zand said:
I remember having pneumonia when I was 2. My mum told me I turned myself onto my tummy to sleep yet I was normally a back sleeper.

As an obese adult that isn't an easy option now but I have learned that the next best thing is to sleep in a sitting position on the sofa. It astounds me that doctors didn't use this method already.
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Thats why heart failure patients use c.4 pillows in bed.
 
Winnie53 said:
This breathing technique may help coronavirus patients feel better
The idea is to get the lower part of a person’s lungs to expand so that any mucus that’s collecting there can be dislodged and coughed out.

A breathing technique said to help people with COVID-19 symptoms is getting praise from “Harry Potter” author J.K. Rowling and CNN broadcaster Chris Cuomo.

A British doctor — identified by The Times as Dr. Sarfaraz Munshi from Queen’s Hospital in London — demonstrated the exercise in a YouTube video that's received almost 2 million views since Friday.

In it, he urged patients to begin practicing the technique right at the start of their coronavirus infection or even before any symptoms began.​

https://www.today.com/health/corona...help-covid-19-patients-breathe-better-t177870
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Good link, Winnie.

Had seen it earlier.

Can only say from my early days with asthma,
Nurses put me on my front and beat my back to dislodge the gunk.

So I do feel that link has merit.

While not a whole cure, all these little pieces add to the whole.

First time we went to India, the dawn Chirus was deafening... Everyone was hacking up and spitting stuff out ..

It took a while for us to work out it wasn't rude, (if a tad unhealthy to others)
It just was them making themselves as good as possible, they knew medical wasn't always as easily available as we have here in UK so looking after yourself for some is of major importance

Possible just ejecting the junk, each morning, gave then a better prognosis, or at least the comfort they had done the best they could, each morning.
Same as my nurses did for me.

Simple old skool, might just help, before we have to go into the system proper.

Stay well
My friend.
 
Strange how knowledge gets lost. One of the comments from an old time nurse about proning being standard practice back in the day was very telling.

I discovered what caused my saturation to drop the first time I wore my oximeter overnight. Flat on my back is absolutely the worst position and I'll be gasping for breath within a short space of time. Same thing with arms above shoulder height. Sitting upright gives me the best readings. I've never been able to sleep on my stomach though, so that is out. Hmnn, are there such things as prone pillows with a face cutout similar to massage tables? Part of the problem with front sleeping is the discomfort from neck twisting to the side. Having big b**bs doesn't help either, lol.
 
Indy51 said:
Strange how knowledge gets lost. One of the comments from an old time nurse about proning being standard practice back in the day was very telling.

I discovered what caused my saturation to drop the first time I wore my oximeter overnight. Flat on my back is absolutely the worst position and I'll be gasping for breath within a short space of time. Same thing with arms above shoulder height. Sitting upright gives me the best readings. I've never been able to sleep on my stomach though, so that is out. Hmnn, are there such things as prone pillows with a face cutout similar to massage tables? Part of the problem with front sleeping is the discomfort from neck twisting to the side. Having big b**bs doesn't help either, lol.
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Some of the articles posted ^^^ today have talked about ‘proning mattresses’ and special support pillows for pregnant women who need to sleep frontwards, so they must exist.

I was always a ‘recovery position’ sleeper, until a shoulder injury put paid to that. But I swear that position gave me the best sleep of my life.
 
Indy51 said:
Flat on my back is absolutely the worst position
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Which does make me wonder how many of the deaths so far have been caused by putting people into a coma and ventilating them (on their backs of course). Killed by the treatment and not COVID-19... I guess we'll never know.
 
I cannot sleep / lay flt on on my back otherwise I go into AFib pretty much straight away, it scared the **** out of me the first couple of time it happened.

I now sleep either on my side or with the bed elevated so I am laying with my upper body is partially upright.
 
Bill_St said:
Approved for USA - how long before PHE test it and buy it?

https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom...n/abbott-launches-covid-19-antibody-test.html
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Some of the U.K. based ones only state they can detect antibodies for 33 days post being symptomatic (unclear if this is from onset or resolution mind you). Not a lot of use a few months down the line if that’s all they cover. I guess maybe they might pick up a strong antibody reaction longer but nothing is certain about that.
 
HSSS said:
Some of the U.K. based ones only state they can detect antibodies for 33 days post being symptomatic (unclear if this is from onset or resolution mind you). Not a lot of use a few months down the line if that’s all they cover. I guess maybe they might pick up a strong antibody reaction longer but nothing is certain about that.
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There were reports in the U.K. that some tests could only detect the antibodies After 28 days - it takes that time for them to build up to a level where the test can work.
 
bulkbiker said:
Which does make me wonder how many of the deaths so far have been caused by putting people into a coma and ventilating them (on their backs of course). Killed by the treatment and not COVID-19... I guess we'll never know.
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And, according to Paul Mason, fed sugar and seed oils through a drip, which will eventually kill them anyway. Sometimes I have to wonder if the healthcare system is out to get us :shifty:
 
Blaming the NHS and it’s treatment methods?
It’s obviously the G5 masts that are the problem and the lifestyles some of us choose to follow.
Purely in a diabetic perspective you understand.
 
bulkbiker said:
No.. simply asking a question.

Shame we'll likely never find out the truth.
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Yes . I appreciate that. Fortunately or unfortunately I’m in a position of knowing a bit more than a lot of others regarding what is happening in the hospitals at the moment, especially regarding covid.
This isn’t the platform to talk about what is happening and the decisions being made.
Decisions are HAVING to be made in a lot of instances.
 
https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/analysisofdeathsinvolvingcovid19 Lots of stats on March deaths released today. (@bulkbiker for your new obsession.)

Things that are striking me so far

The definition of pre existing condition is based on death certificate mention. “We define a pre-existing condition as any health condition mentioned on the death certificate that either came before the coronavirus (COVID-19) or was an independent contributory factor in the death. Where only COVID-19 was recorded on the death certificate, or COVID-19 and subsequent conditions caused by COVID-19 were recorded, we refer to these deaths as having “No pre-existing conditions”.” The average number of more existing conditions was 2.7!!

So if the declaring dr doesn’t believe our pre existing diabetes played any role it wouldn’t be mention thus we would be in the no preexisting conditions group statistically speaking?? So those well controlled with no complications or other conditions don’t fall into the higher risk groups?? Or is my interpretation wishful thinking?



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the “usual “ causes are deaths are mostly lowered so there appears to be people who died with covid and for whom it is being attributed to that rather than their underlying condition(s) that statistically would still died. E600E250-ECF5-42AA-9803-77A2E0F8D1AB.png
 
HSSS said:
So those well controlled with no complications or other conditions don’t fall into the higher risk groups?? Or is my interpretation wishful thinking?
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My reading is that 'no pre-existing condition' is the 5th most common 'pre-existing' condition, so people with no pre-existing condition are at a higher risk than people with diabetes alone - the 6th most common pre-existing condition! This tells me that these numbers aren't terribly helpful for predicting one's own risk. As 2.7 pre-existing conditions was the norm, presenting numbers by a single condition doesn't really tell us very much. Also, as you, say this is only things listed on the death cert where pre-existing conditions 'usually' aren't listed if they weren't seen as a contributing cause.
 
therower said:
Blaming the NHS and it’s treatment methods?
It’s obviously the G5 masts that are the problem and the lifestyles some of us choose to follow.
Purely in a diabetic perspective you understand.
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Hi, I hope you are well and keeping safe.
I must say this, the NHS saved my life in 2018, Pneumonia and Sepsis, I had so many tubes coming out of my body, tubes were inserted into my neck and stitches were used to keep them there, so I was flat on my back, a lot of the time, I survived.
At the moment, I am fit and well, with no known Covid - 19 symptoms, my time in hospital was not like it is now, yes it was a very busy place, but my family and I who were told I was unlikely to survive we are so grateful for their care and support, I am one lucky person indeed, I can't thank them enough.

On a sadder note, my neighbours nephew, aged 43, died last week of COVID-19, his father, who was on the news last night is devastated. The father was previously in hospital with pneumonia, when he was well enough to be go home, it was then that his son went into hospital after spending quite a few days at home but getting worse, he was a good cricketer and loved the sport. I know the family very well, we grew up together and my heart goes out to the family, especially the son and his granddad :(
 
copilost said:
My reading is that 'no pre-existing condition' is the 5th most common 'pre-existing' condition, so people with no pre-existing condition are at a higher risk than people with diabetes alone - the 6th most common pre-existing condition! This tells me that these numbers aren't terribly helpful for predicting one's own risk. As 2.7 pre-existing conditions was the norm, presenting numbers by a single condition doesn't really tell us very much. Also, as you, say this is only things listed on the death cert where pre-existing conditions 'usually' aren't listed if they weren't seen as a contributing cause.
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COVID-19 doesn't cherry pick, it attacks the old, the young, those with medical conditions and those without, it's brutal.
Why someone gets COVID-19 and other's don't, or those that survive it and those unfortunately who don't, luck seems to be huge factor.
 
Since having the virus I feel different. Can't really explain why but I do. I still feel unclean and almost like my DNA has been damaged. I had kidney and liver pains and I don't know if or when these organs will recover. My feet and lower legs are swollen and my urine is too dark. I feel like an alien is living inside me still causing damage even though the coughing finished over a week ago. I still can't walk very far as I am so very tired. I get the feeling that this thing won't really go, it will just stay dormant ready to bite again. Just like shingles and cold sores. I hope I am wrong but it's 45 days since I was infected and I still don't feel right.

Tell me I'm a hypochondriac please. I would love that to be all that's wrong with me.
 
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