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NicoleC1971
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There is another thread that's already opened on the topic. I don't think anyone actually knows the order of priority but you'd need to be very old, very obese, BAME as well as diabetic to get to the front of that queue.
Oh I must have skipped right over it!
Oh should read into the T&C's for the vaccine it looks like 
Phew!
My 90 year old T2 dad (never obese and now off meds since low carbing) reckons he'll get his in December, though that's just what he's read in the newspapers....
Lamont D
Oracle
The government and the press have gone a little overboard that we are close to a vaccine.
However in my mind, this is not the silver bullet to get us back to normality. What ever normal is, I really don't want it, with brexit and the power grab happening, the restrictions, no workers rights, no sense of what I worked all my life for.
What is causing my doubts?
I will have the jab, so will my wife and father in law who are both shielding, I believe I come into the second group but knowing my doctor because I'm a carer, I will get mine with them.
But, as the majority of people will have the jab, there will be those who won't.
So, if one or more of them are super spreaders, or intentionally spreading the virus, it will still be around. Also if we are still susceptible to the virus despite the jab, after a period, the opening up too early will be awful.
Even with the jab, and I have the flu jab every year, this virus is so prevalent and dangerous, that even with the flu vaccine because of normal, plenty still die of the flu.
How do we know that people we are socialising with or friends, or people in shops, pubs etc, have been given the vaccine?
When will we know it is safe for those shielding to go out again?
When can we travel to see our family? Christmas is huge in my big family and we have three birthdays around Christmas. Then another two in early New Year. Just in the immediate family. Another has his fiftieth mid December. But because of our experience of this virus, we are not having a normal Christmas, we will still need to be able to see them, but only on our phones. We can celebrate when it's all over, if it ever is. The Christmas decorations and trees are up.
How and when can we get away for a break? Being in all the time is awful.
Can this disaster of a government get the process of rolling out the enormous logistical task of getting the vaccine to where it should be at the right time and at the speed where it can have the right effect?
Will the government make the right decision to make sure that the local health authorities be given the task of making decisions about their areas without the interference from Downing Street mafia?
Test, track and trace is acknowledged as the best tools to use to keep the virus in check, and because of those who won't have the vaccine. The government must keep improving the testing, it has been reluctant to do mass testing until recently. It was only because of mass testing has it been found that there are a percentage of those who are asymptomatic with covid. And one of the main reasons why it is so prevalent is because quite lot of people don't realise, especially the young, are not aware of having anything wrong with them.
I still believe we will have at least another couple of lockdown periods as most experts are predicting a third and maybe a fourth wave, as this sort of virus could mutate and be around a lot more than the government is forecasting.
As for the economy versus livelihoods argument. This government will not admit to making it up as we went into the sudden death toll started spiralling out of control.
The amounts of money thrown around because of the absurdity of ten years of austerity, we were not prepared for this, even though the world knew about this in January, our economy will have to change, how can we continue to deprive the unfortunate among us, whilst being in the top ten economic countries. The way the country is run must change and improve the life of everyone not the few.
The virus has been an eye opener to those who have suffered because of the pandemic, and the inequality between the various areas in the country. The north west, north east, Yorkshire, Lancashire and west Midlands have been shown to be discrimination of politics, infrastructure and huge difference in poverty, food banks, redundancy and the amounts of money distribution to these councils.
I am suffering enough with my anxiety, but the logical conclusion to this is we must be prepared to sacrifice our economy, just as our fathers and grandfathers did after the two world wars, we must take an economic crisis and ensure that in the long run, lives are more important. This is a war we can win, but at the cost of thousands of people, is a price we shouldn't have to pay. If the government continues to get its priorities wrong, the actual death toll will be a holocaust.
Think about what it's like to be someone in hospital in a dependency ward, where the staff have too much to do, risking their own personal lives and their families to treat people they don't really know, to have to make judgments on who lives, who dies because believe it or not, this has happened, in my local hospital. The rate of those infected badly went really high, too high, that quite a few had to be transferred to other hospitals and in fact for three hours they didn't have anywhere to send those too ill. At this point they had to call in extra staff, pulled staff away from non covid wards to help, stop emergency operations, cancel appointments.
I know this because all of my children are on the front line, and not been furloughed, three have had the virus, all okay now. One of my grandchildren had it three weeks ago, another was in hospital last week with another infection, the grandchildren have been sent home from school regularly until tested, because other pupils have tested positive. The grandchildren have been made aware of how you should behave with their bubble and their home bubble and to self isolate and learn how to wash hands and wear masks.
It could be you next.
It could be you waiting for an ambulance.
It could be you turned away from hospital or having to travel many miles to a hospital were someone has just died. So you can have their place.
Or the doctors, nurses, ancillary staff are so tired, or ill, stressed or just the wrong day at the wrong time.
This pandemic, has caused a lot of pain and loss, of grief and horror. Actually living under the prospect that you can and probably will lose someone close or your own life, a friend or a neighbour.
I have lost too many such people, I am really scared and anxious about the future, I know that if my wife gets a viral load that will hospitalised her, she won't be coming home. This also applies to two other senior members of my family.
Sorry about the long post.
Keep safe and look after your people.
However in my mind, this is not the silver bullet to get us back to normality. What ever normal is, I really don't want it, with brexit and the power grab happening, the restrictions, no workers rights, no sense of what I worked all my life for.
What is causing my doubts?
I will have the jab, so will my wife and father in law who are both shielding, I believe I come into the second group but knowing my doctor because I'm a carer, I will get mine with them.
But, as the majority of people will have the jab, there will be those who won't.
So, if one or more of them are super spreaders, or intentionally spreading the virus, it will still be around. Also if we are still susceptible to the virus despite the jab, after a period, the opening up too early will be awful.
Even with the jab, and I have the flu jab every year, this virus is so prevalent and dangerous, that even with the flu vaccine because of normal, plenty still die of the flu.
How do we know that people we are socialising with or friends, or people in shops, pubs etc, have been given the vaccine?
When will we know it is safe for those shielding to go out again?
When can we travel to see our family? Christmas is huge in my big family and we have three birthdays around Christmas. Then another two in early New Year. Just in the immediate family. Another has his fiftieth mid December. But because of our experience of this virus, we are not having a normal Christmas, we will still need to be able to see them, but only on our phones. We can celebrate when it's all over, if it ever is. The Christmas decorations and trees are up.
How and when can we get away for a break? Being in all the time is awful.
Can this disaster of a government get the process of rolling out the enormous logistical task of getting the vaccine to where it should be at the right time and at the speed where it can have the right effect?
Will the government make the right decision to make sure that the local health authorities be given the task of making decisions about their areas without the interference from Downing Street mafia?
Test, track and trace is acknowledged as the best tools to use to keep the virus in check, and because of those who won't have the vaccine. The government must keep improving the testing, it has been reluctant to do mass testing until recently. It was only because of mass testing has it been found that there are a percentage of those who are asymptomatic with covid. And one of the main reasons why it is so prevalent is because quite lot of people don't realise, especially the young, are not aware of having anything wrong with them.
I still believe we will have at least another couple of lockdown periods as most experts are predicting a third and maybe a fourth wave, as this sort of virus could mutate and be around a lot more than the government is forecasting.
As for the economy versus livelihoods argument. This government will not admit to making it up as we went into the sudden death toll started spiralling out of control.
The amounts of money thrown around because of the absurdity of ten years of austerity, we were not prepared for this, even though the world knew about this in January, our economy will have to change, how can we continue to deprive the unfortunate among us, whilst being in the top ten economic countries. The way the country is run must change and improve the life of everyone not the few.
The virus has been an eye opener to those who have suffered because of the pandemic, and the inequality between the various areas in the country. The north west, north east, Yorkshire, Lancashire and west Midlands have been shown to be discrimination of politics, infrastructure and huge difference in poverty, food banks, redundancy and the amounts of money distribution to these councils.
I am suffering enough with my anxiety, but the logical conclusion to this is we must be prepared to sacrifice our economy, just as our fathers and grandfathers did after the two world wars, we must take an economic crisis and ensure that in the long run, lives are more important. This is a war we can win, but at the cost of thousands of people, is a price we shouldn't have to pay. If the government continues to get its priorities wrong, the actual death toll will be a holocaust.
Think about what it's like to be someone in hospital in a dependency ward, where the staff have too much to do, risking their own personal lives and their families to treat people they don't really know, to have to make judgments on who lives, who dies because believe it or not, this has happened, in my local hospital. The rate of those infected badly went really high, too high, that quite a few had to be transferred to other hospitals and in fact for three hours they didn't have anywhere to send those too ill. At this point they had to call in extra staff, pulled staff away from non covid wards to help, stop emergency operations, cancel appointments.
I know this because all of my children are on the front line, and not been furloughed, three have had the virus, all okay now. One of my grandchildren had it three weeks ago, another was in hospital last week with another infection, the grandchildren have been sent home from school regularly until tested, because other pupils have tested positive. The grandchildren have been made aware of how you should behave with their bubble and their home bubble and to self isolate and learn how to wash hands and wear masks.
It could be you next.
It could be you waiting for an ambulance.
It could be you turned away from hospital or having to travel many miles to a hospital were someone has just died. So you can have their place.
Or the doctors, nurses, ancillary staff are so tired, or ill, stressed or just the wrong day at the wrong time.
This pandemic, has caused a lot of pain and loss, of grief and horror. Actually living under the prospect that you can and probably will lose someone close or your own life, a friend or a neighbour.
I have lost too many such people, I am really scared and anxious about the future, I know that if my wife gets a viral load that will hospitalised her, she won't be coming home. This also applies to two other senior members of my family.
Sorry about the long post.
Keep safe and look after your people.
NicoleC1971
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My sister, front line A & E consultant, thinks she will be vaccinated by December. Kudos to your dad getting into his nineties - is he keen to be jabbed?
NicoleC1971
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Reason's to be cheerful?!
Well Michael Gove has ruled out vaccine passports but as you say if you are already depressed and anxious about this illness you won't feel any better after the vaccine gets rolled out because there will always be people who haven't had it or people coming in to the UK who haven't had it as we are not New Zealand.
Then there's always the next nasty flu like bug or flu itself.
I think staying sane is more apt than staying safe given the massive health anxiety this has created where we no longer feel able to protect ourselves through our own agency but have been taught to fear normal human behaviour where the fear is out of proportion to the actual known risk and sadly where there is little we can do to mitigate the risk of an endemic virus as all the mask wearing and lockdowns have not shown any link to reduction in infection intuitive though these actions seem.
On the fence about the vaccine anyway but guessing GP surgeries will pursue all of us that are eligble for a free flu jab quite efficiently.
Assume that we need to follow the current social distancing until at least next summer.
Vaccinating millions of people will take quite a long time.
As the number of people vaccinated goes up,the overall risk comes down.
Eventually we will get to the level of immunity that people who have been vaccinated can mingle freely and travel on public transport with confidence.
I am hoping that by Autumn 2021 travel will be more or less back to normal.
We shall see.
Vaccinating millions of people will take quite a long time.
As the number of people vaccinated goes up,the overall risk comes down.
Eventually we will get to the level of immunity that people who have been vaccinated can mingle freely and travel on public transport with confidence.
I am hoping that by Autumn 2021 travel will be more or less back to normal.
We shall see.
Lamont D
Oracle
The logistics of mass testing and mass vaccination is incredibly difficult.
There could be those who have not been vaccinated before those that need a second jab.
There will be those who will not get it because of many reasons, such as those homeless or not registered with a surgery, there will be those who are in the country that are not citizens of the UK, or are here on holiday or working here from the European union and further away.
We have never closed airports or ferries.
We should as soon as possible a law for those travelling to the country that they should be inoculated and papers to prove it.
I can see the press and media going OTT about the rollout and many more protests because as usual, someone will make a mountain out of a molehill over something he has no idea about, the trouble makers will be out in force.
With Boris in charge and already today been an embarrassment, I can see another year of upheaval and political dogma coming to fruition.
The government should have a proper plan that embraces the whole country and in the new year, have a target for getting the pandemic under control and start learning the lessons that lives come before livelihoods, and support those who have been hit the hardest.
I heard this this afternoon.
Poverty is not about money, it's about hope!
Keep safe
There could be those who have not been vaccinated before those that need a second jab.
There will be those who will not get it because of many reasons, such as those homeless or not registered with a surgery, there will be those who are in the country that are not citizens of the UK, or are here on holiday or working here from the European union and further away.
We have never closed airports or ferries.
We should as soon as possible a law for those travelling to the country that they should be inoculated and papers to prove it.
I can see the press and media going OTT about the rollout and many more protests because as usual, someone will make a mountain out of a molehill over something he has no idea about, the trouble makers will be out in force.
With Boris in charge and already today been an embarrassment, I can see another year of upheaval and political dogma coming to fruition.
The government should have a proper plan that embraces the whole country and in the new year, have a target for getting the pandemic under control and start learning the lessons that lives come before livelihoods, and support those who have been hit the hardest.
I heard this this afternoon.
Poverty is not about money, it's about hope!
Keep safe
Very keen, but he's even keener for NZ to open up so that he can visot us again (he normally spends 3 months with us over xmas and has been in lockdown at home ever since he left us early last March.) In retrospect I wish we'd kept him here but we didn't know that nz would get covid under control and all his medical stuff is handled by his gp in the uk. Plus his visa only lasts for 6 months though I can't really see the nz government making a 90byear old travel back to europe at the height of covid....
Mr_Pot
Well-Known Member
Just have to wait for the standard U-turn then.
Or just shops stating... no proof of vaccine, no entry...
There are many ways to make it mandatory without mandating it.
I’m in half a mind, I want to be safe but it has been quick to release. But then I do have the flu shot every year so I’m not anti vac and I know of people who’ve been very ill and my partners cousin died from it.
So... not highest priority but around the middle, so a while to think about it yet
Lamont D
Oracle
I actually believe they have a number of options on a board and like pin the tail on the donkey, Boris looks away and picks out today's message and tells the cabinet to see by the end of the day if they can remember the message correctly.
Or they just make it up as they go along.
Or, Boris reads the message and then without looking back at the message gives his version of it.
Or the advisors haven't got a clue, Boris bends to his backers and the science is ignored. MPs from all sides of the house ignored, and priority is given to the city of London.
Sounds farcical but could it happen?
The ministers come onto the television and unbelievably they repeatedly go on about how well the government has done.
I could say a lot more but the death toll speaks for itself.
It ain't over for a long while yet!
Mr_Pot
Well-Known Member
I think a lot of the government's decisions are driven by the YouGov response. Leak an idea, get the question on YouGov and use it like a focus group. Incidentally YouGov was founded by Nadhim Zahawi who is responsible for the vaccine rollout.
Bluetit1802
Legend
It's alright Boris-smashing or Government-smashing, but would the other lot have done any better? We will never know, but I can't believe they would.
