Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HOT)

[Pavan Singh]

Hi everybody. I have an interest in hyperbaric oxygen therapy and thought this community would be a good place to field my questions.

I'll start off with just two.

The first question has to do with conditions other than diabetes when it comes to hyperbaric oxygen treatment (HOT). For those of you who have had HOT for diabetes, or any other reason, did you notice the treatment possibly helped with a separate health condition you were experiencing? An example would be something like... you had HOT for a toe wound but found your arthritis had significant improvement.

The second question has to do with HOT and how it might help someone with Diabetes Type 1. To answer this one properly it may take someone who has a good scientific understanding of how diabetes works, but I'd appreciate hearing anyone's opinion on this. Say a young person were to have Type 1 and were fortunate enough to be able to have a personal hyperbaric oxygen chamber, and could use it whenever they wanted. How would having a therapeutic device like this and being able to use it at will effect the course of their diabetes over their lifetime?.

Thank you so much.

 

[AndBreathe]

Hi everybody. I have an interest in hyperbaric oxygen therapy and thought this community would be a good place to field my questions.

I'll start off with just two.

The first question has to do with conditions other than diabetes when it comes to hyperbaric oxygen treatment (HOT). For those of you who have had HOT for diabetes, or any other reason, did you notice the treatment possibly helped with a separate health condition you were experiencing? An example would be something like... you had HOT for a toe wound but found your arthritis had significant improvement.

The second question has to do with HOT and how it might help someone with Diabetes Type 1. To answer this one properly it may take someone who has a good scientific understanding of how diabetes works, but I'd appreciate hearing anyone's opinion on this. Say a young person were to have Type 1 and were fortunate enough to be able to have a personal hyperbaric oxygen chamber, and could use it whenever they wanted. How would having a therapeutic device like this and being able to use it at will effect the course of their diabetes over their lifetime?.

Thank you so much.

Pavan, to be clear I haven't had hyperbaric therapy for any reason, and I certainly don't have a chamber or know anyone who has a specialist chamber. I would think it would be highly unusual, bearing in mind what happens during hyperbaric sessions - just from a safety perspective.

Do you have access to a chamber? If so, what benefits do yo believe you might see, and why?

You can probably tell you have piqued my curiosity gene into action.

 

[Oldvatr]

Any diabetic scuba divers been through decompression recently? Seems that this and treatment for gas embolism are the only treartments offered on the NHS. These are not normal diabetes related problems.

 

[Riva_Roxaban]

The first question has to do with conditions other than diabetes when it comes to hyperbaric oxygen treatment (HOT). For those of you who have had HOT for diabetes, or any other reason, did you notice the treatment possibly helped with a separate health condition you were experiencing? An example would be something like... you had HOT for a toe wound but found your arthritis had significant improvement.

This is the one of the only place close to where I live that does hyperbaric treatments for chronic wound care etc, it cost a ship load of money, even if you have health insurance.

https://www.wesleyhyperbaric.com.au/hbot-conditions-treated/selected-non-healing-wounds/
https://www.wesleyhyperbaric.com.au...-information-sheets/hbot-patient-information/
https://www.wesleyhyperbaric.com.au/

 

[Oldvatr]

Any diabetic scuba divers been through decompression recently? Seems that this and treatment for gas embolism are the only treartments offered on the NHS. These are not normal diabetes related problems.

However, I have been involved professionally with baric chambers , but usually in the opposite direction (altitude not depth), and I have in these circumstances been on supplemental oxygen. I have also been on forced breatthing with 100% oxygen and CPAP oxygen breathing.

I am still diabetic.

 

[Jaylee]

Hi everybody. I have an interest in hyperbaric oxygen therapy and thought this community would be a good place to field my questions.

I'll start off with just two.

The first question has to do with conditions other than diabetes when it comes to hyperbaric oxygen treatment (HOT). For those of you who have had HOT for diabetes, or any other reason, did you notice the treatment possibly helped with a separate health condition you were experiencing? An example would be something like... you had HOT for a toe wound but found your arthritis had significant improvement.

The second question has to do with HOT and how it might help someone with Diabetes Type 1. To answer this one properly it may take someone who has a good scientific understanding of how diabetes works, but I'd appreciate hearing anyone's opinion on this. Say a young person were to have Type 1 and were fortunate enough to be able to have a personal hyperbaric oxygen chamber, and could use it whenever they wanted. How would having a therapeutic device like this and being able to use it at will effect the course of their diabetes over their lifetime?.

Thank you so much.

Hi,

Are you referring to something Micheal Jackson was rumoured to have used??

 

[EllieM]

Interesting article here on the dangers.
Medical risks of hyperbaric oxygen therapy | University of Iowa Hospitals & Clinics (uihc.org)

Given the possible side effects, I'd want to be sure of real benefits before I used it as a prophylactic...

 

[Oldvatr]

Interesting article here on the dangers.
Medical risks of hyperbaric oxygen therapy | University of Iowa Hospitals & Clinics (uihc.org)

Given the possible side effects, I'd want to be sure of real benefits before I used it as a prophylactic...

Interesting that hypoglycemia is a known effect, but is obviously not permanent. Suggests this is not a cure.

I have visions of wearing the old fashioned divers suit with steel helmet, walking into the supermarket and trying to take an item off the top shelf. Nope - it does not float my boat either.

 

[EllieM]

Suggests this is not a cure.

Lots of grandiose claims here
Diabetes - Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (hyperbaricbendoregon.com)

but no links to any studies to back up these claims...

Though it seems like it's a genuine treatment for foot wounds???

Care to use your research skills to find the missing papers?

 

[Riva_Roxaban]

Are you referring to something Micheal Jackson was rumoured to have used??

I think he had a single person one that some of the major football clubs are remembered to have here.

 

[Oldvatr]

I suspect there are no diabetics in space yet. A walk on the wild side in a spacesuit is the closest to a portable hyperbaric chamber and their toilets are pressurised, I believe. NASA is missing a potential medical discovery here?

 

[Riva_Roxaban]

Though it seems like it's a genuine treatment for foot wounds???

I have thought about it for the wound in my right leg, the Vascular specialist told me that it's not worth trying in my case. Waste of money is one of the reasons.

Here' the Medicare schedule of payments for it.

http://www9.health.gov.au/mbs/fullDisplay.cfm?type=item&q=13020&qt=item

 

[Oldvatr]

Lots of grandiose claims here
Diabetes - Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (hyperbaricbendoregon.com)

but no links to any studies to back up these claims...

Though it seems like it's a genuine treatment for foot wounds???

Care to use your research skills to find the missing papers?

These are all unchecked for sanity or veracity
https://diabetesjournals.org/diabetes/article/61/7/1769/17002
https://www.eubs.org/documents/DHM Vol43 No3.pdf#page=46
https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/m...y/medicina-57-01134-v2.pdf?version=1634717033
https://nursing.ceconnection.com/ovidfiles/00129334-201704000-00008.pdf
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fendo.2020.00032/full
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0003319720936925

 

[EllieM]

These are all unchecked for sanity or veracity
https://diabetesjournals.org/diabetes/article/61/7/1769/17002
https://www.eubs.org/documents/DHM Vol43 No3.pdf#page=46
https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/m...y/medicina-57-01134-v2.pdf?version=1634717033
https://nursing.ceconnection.com/ovidfiles/00129334-201704000-00008.pdf
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fendo.2020.00032/full
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0003319720936925

Thanks for that, looks potentially good for T2 mice.
Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy and Vascular Complications in Diabetes Mellitus - Ivana Resanović, Božidarka Zarić, Jelena Radovanović, Emina Sudar-Milovanović, Zoran Gluvić, Danimir Jevremović, Esma R. Isenović, 2020 (sagepub.com)

is the most interesting to me, a review of other studies, most of which were very small, showing some improvement in insulin sensitivity. though the study with insulin users (very small) showed no improvement.

 

[Oldvatr]

Suggest you start with the Zhou / Wang document (ref 65)

 

[Jaylee]

I think he had a single person one that some of the major football clubs are remembered to have here.

Yep, something about a freak accident where Jackson’s hair caught fire & a scalp burn during a Pepsi add shoot?
He was said to have acquired one. Big tabloid news along with other rumoured “eccentricities..”

With regards to the longevity of a “young person who was to have T1.” I’ve already outlived MJ without all the “hang ups.”

There are a fair few others too.. “HOT” would be the last thing I’d throw my money at if it was no question…

 

[Seacrow]

My mother had HOT on the NHS as part of an experimental therapy for Multiple Sclerosis. It did absolutely nothing for her, nor for any of the twentyish fellow MS sufferers.
Why a hospital in Sheffield (landlocked) had a large device most commonly used to treat divers, I don't know.

 

[Oldvatr]

Justin Beiber has two of them, and sleeps every night in one. He also has an ovenight infusion drip of NAD+ so he reckons he is really healthy. He also suffers PTSD and stress.

 

[Oldvatr]

My mother had HOT on the NHS as part of an experimental therapy for Multiple Sclerosis. It did absolutely nothing for her, nor for any of the twentyish fellow MS sufferers.
Why a hospital in Sheffield (landlocked) had a large device most commonly used to treat divers, I don't know.

Probably supporting the North Sea Oil Rigs. And not too far from Blackpool or Whitby.

 

[EllieM]

Suggest you start with the Zhou / Wang document (ref 65)

Insulin resistance and hypertension?