Thank you Sarge Maximus. Very helpful. Is there a place (list) somewhere that has all these bad (secret) carby things plse? I am allergic/ sensitive to many additives (ingredients with ‘e’ and numbers after). An app tells me what each ‘e’ means - but doesn’t include explanations of all these things that you helpfully point out are carbs by any other name. Now 3 weeks into low carb and keeping my BG mostly in range of ‘normal’ and some troubling symptoms already diminishing. Thank you all. In Oz ‘gluten free’ or ‘sugar free’ usually means loads of bad ‘e’ ingredients anyway.