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Recent Type 2 Diagnosis - Anyone not overweight and n?

Hi. Don't panic. The first thing is to adjust your diet to reduce the carbs and have enough fat and protein to give you the calories and nutrients (LCHF really means Low-carb and Enough Fats). Take the meds recommended by the GP if your blood sugar remains high. If, after this, your blood sugar fails to come down then it indicates more clearly the LADA possibility. You GP may or may not do the two tests but your HBa1C over the coming months will guide both of you.
 
Daibell said:
Hi. Don't panic. The first thing is to adjust your diet to reduce the carbs and have enough fat and protein to give you the calories and nutrients (LCHF really means Low-carb and Enough Fats). .
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LCHF=Low Carb High Fat.

Too much protein will make bg go up and may cause damage to the kidneys while fat is a completely safe and healthy choice, so long as you avoid margarine and most vegetable oils. Olive oil and coconut oil are fine though.
 
Thanks guys, I will have a look at that. I thought I was low on the carbs on the low GL eating but not enough obviously. So I go back to eating full fat butter and cheese then - that I can do very happily!
 
Lowering your carbs is a good idea and will certainly help control your BG levels but I would not advise high fat or high anything without talking to your doc first. Cheese and butter are fine but I'm not a fan of "high" as this implies you can eat in huge quantities. Good luck with the tests Starmaker and please keep us updated.
 
Thank you Mo1905, It is all rather confusing - I thought the low GL was the way to go. My doc isn't someone I would talk to about this as she wanted to put me on meds straightaway with no mention of diet and exercise.

Is there anyone out there who has managed this with diet and exercise alone - and how long did it take to get the BG levels down? This is my 4th week but only taking readings regularly this week.
 
Hi all this is my first post just want to say I know how you feel star maker I was diagnosed type two just over a year ago was a shock as like you was fairly fit of normal build no one in the family with diabetes was feeling really tired lost a lot of weight that I could I'll afford to lose every three months my hba1c was going up even after me doing all that I could my doctor just kept upping the dose of metformin and gliclazide went to see the nurse one day for my three monthly b12 injection and said very kindly that I looked awful lol she rang the diabetes clinic while I was ther and was sent straight there did bloods to test for different things sugars were high a trace of ketones in my blood and a gad test as a positive for type one which I found out a few weeks later since then one my brothers as also been diagnosed and two cousins feeling much better now on insulin
 
Hi Sammy45, thanks for your post. The thought of injecting fills me with dread, Im only just coming to terms with the glucometer! I have one more thing to try and that is to reduce my carbs some more, and see if they drop. I have given it my all with the diet and exercise esp the last 4 weeks, I have even taken some time out of work to get my stress levels down. And here I am, going back to work next week and not feeling so good, and completely stressed out with my high readings.

Did you feel better at all during your first 3 months on medication? I took Metformin for a short while in the beginning and I have to say felt the benefits of it after one day, I felt perkier than I had done in a long time. But I still wanted to see if I could manage with diet and exercise first, it was something I needed to do. Its not looking great at the moment!
 
mo1905 said:
Lowering your carbs is a good idea and will certainly help control your BG levels but I would not advise high fat or high anything without talking to your doc first. Cheese and butter are fine but I'm not a fan of "high" as this implies you can eat in huge quantities. Good luck with the tests Starmaker and please keep us updated.
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Thing is Mo that when you go low on carbs and eat a lot of fat, comparably, you eat enough fat to fill you up but you don't eat more than that as fat is very filling. It is close to impossible to over eat on fat but if you do nothing much happens. Fat is a healthy choice for all, not only diabetics so don't scare our new, already scared members unnecessarily.
 
Totto said:
Thing is Mo that when you go low on carbs and eat a lot of fat, comparably, you eat enough fat to fill you up but you don't eat more than that as fat is very filling. It is close to impossible to over eat on fat but if you do nothing much happens. Fat is a healthy choice for all, not only diabetics so don't scare our new, already scared members unnecessarily.
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I'm not trying to scare anyone and I have never said fat is bad. Please re-read my original post. I just said anything in large quantities is not good. Thanks
 
Hi your welcome I did feel a bit better on tablets for a short while then didn't doctor just kept the doses of both tablets the lowest hba1c I had at the time was 84 and that was with next to no carbs I feel totally different now on insulin still watch what I eat with the occasional treat but with a few more carbs lol I know what you mean about injecting im exactly the same when it comes to needles a big baby really lol I was shaking like a leaf when I had to do it for the first time with diabetic nurse and a few more times after that really lol but it's really not as bad as you think honestly there different sizes in needles I use 4mm now which are more comfortable for me than the ones I had at first and as I say it really isn't as bad you think hope this has been helpful for you I've been reading lots on the forum and realise there are lots of us alike and found it helpful tonight is the first time I've ever posted anything but had to as I could relate to your post but not to say that you will be like me but tell the specialist everything about how you've been
 
mo1905 said:
I'm not trying to scare anyone and I have never said fat is bad. Please re-read my original post. I just said anything in large quantities is not good. Thanks
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It can very easily be interpreted as such when you recommend people to talk to their doctors before they try LCHF. In my experience few Drs would recommend LCHF but rather the high carb diet we get pushed down our throats by all kinds of HCPs so that way may be a no-go and leave diabetics in a dire position. As I said, it is close to impossible to over eat on fat as it is very filling.
 
Totto said:
It can very easily be interpreted as such when you recommend people to talk to their doctors before they try LCHF. In my experience few Drs would recommend LCHF but rather the high carb diet we get pushed down our throats by all kinds of HCPs so that way may be a no-go and leave diabetics in a dire position. As I said, it is close to impossible to over eat on fat as it is very filling.
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What part of my initial post could you misinterpret ? I would advise anyone who is diabetic to reduce carbs, I would also recommend anyone, who I don't have a clue about, to discuss any major changes to their diet with their healthcare provider. I also said fats were not bad and butter, cheese etc were fine. The only thing that is easy to misinterpret is LCHF. If I asked 20 people to write down what this actually meant, I'd probably get a large proportion of different answers.
So, to summarise, I think eating fats is good, I also believe reducing carbs is good. I don't like the acronym LCHF but that's personal opinion. I have no problem with whatever people choose to eat, I just want to point out that HF does not mean large quantities, which it could easily be mistaken for.
 
mo1905 said:
What part of my initial post could you misinterpret ? I would advise anyone who is diabetic to reduce carbs, I would also recommend anyone, who I don't have a clue about, to discuss any major changes to their diet with their healthcare provider. I also said fats were not bad and butter, cheese etc were fine. The only thing that is easy to misinterpret is LCHF. If I asked 20 people to write down what this actually meant, I'd probably get a large proportion of different answers.
So, to summarise, I think eating fats is good, I also believe reducing carbs is good. I don't like the acronym LCHF but that's personal opinion. I have no problem with whatever people choose to eat, I just want to point out that HF does not mean large quantities, which it could easily be mistaken for.
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Me, I go through close to 200 grams of fat per day in order to get enough energy and to fill me up. I don't know if this amount is excessive in your opinion but it suits me.

I have never had any usable advice from a HCP regarding diet and certainly not since my recent diagnosis so your advice to ask a Dr about diet may be bad advice.

LCHF, as I currently do it, is 5E5 carbs, 15E% protein and 80E% fat. The result of this diet is perfectly normal and level bg, an energy I haven't had in a quarter of a century and weight loss. This macro-nutrient breakdown is common on LCHF.

I know you seem to find fat a good source of energy, so why warn people to talk to their Drs before they switch to LCHF? If you tried it yourself you would understand how filling fat is. And to us type 2s who aren't on insulin it can be vital to eat a lot of fat, as in 150-250 grams per day. And it has no adverse effects on health at all.
 
Totto said:
Me, I go through close to 200 grams of fat per day in order to get enough energy and to fill me up. I don't know if this amount is excessive in your opinion but it suits me.

I have never had any usable advice from a HCP regarding diet and certainly not since my recent diagnosis so your advice to ask a Dr about diet may be bad advice.

LCHF, as I currently do it, is 5E5 carbs, 15E% protein and 80E% fat. The result of this diet is perfectly normal and level bg, an energy I haven't had in a quarter of a century and weight loss. This macro-nutrient breakdown is common on LCHF.

I know you seem to find fat a good source of energy, so why warn people to talk to their Drs before they switch to LCHF? If you tried it yourself you would understand how filling fat is. And to us type 2s who aren't on insulin it can be vital to eat a lot of fat, as in 150-250 grams per day. And it has no adverse effects on health at all.
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Totto, this is the last post from me as we keep going over and over the same things. Now, please take this on board. I am very happy you have found a diet that works for you, that's great. Will your diet suit all ? No. You mention you've never had good dietary advice from a HCP, does that mean you should advise all others to ignore theirs too ? No.You then mention I should try eating fat so I could see how filling it was ? Do you really think I don't eat fat ? There's a big difference between giving forum members friendly advice and forcing your own ideas on someone. Do you ever quote me telling people percentage wise how much of something they should eat ? If you wish to carry this conversation on further please use the PM facility as we are now spoiling the OP's thread.
 
mo1905 said:
Totto, this is the last post from me as we keep going over and over the same things. Now, please take this on board. I am very happy you have found a diet that works for you, that's great. Will your diet suit all ? No. You mention you've never had good dietary advice from a HCP, does that mean you should advise all others to ignore theirs too ? No.You then mention I should try eating fat so I could see how filling it was ? Do you really think I don't eat fat ? There's a big difference between giving forum members friendly advice and forcing your own ideas on someone. Do you ever quote me telling people percentage wise how much of something they should eat ? If you wish to carry this conversation on further please use the PM facility as we are now spoiling the OP's thread.
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Right, so stop telling people to talk to their Dr or otherwise scare them of the high fat of LCHF: That is not friendly advice, that is bad advice and forcing your ideas on them. IMHO.
 
Totto said:
Right, so stop telling people to talk to their Dr or otherwise scare them of the high fat of LCHF: That is not friendly advice, that is bad advice and forcing your ideas on them. IMHO.
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No, I will continue to advise members to consult with their HCP's when seeking to make big dietary changes. Same for sudden exercise as well. You or I know nothing of medical background or possible complications of any of the members on this forum. Quoting "IMHO" is fine but your advice is wrong. Clearly you have had a bad experience but don't assume we should all ignore medical advice because of this.
 
Hi Sammy45, Im glad you are now feeling better - its a scary time isn't it? I posted myself for the first time yesterday as I find myself a bit in the wilderness with all of this at the moment so its a little less scary knowing there are other out there like myself.
 
Starmaker123 said:
Thanks for all your replies guys - I must admit that now Im getting really worried! I have never heard of these tests, or LADA or the LCHF diet but will look into them. When I was doing my readings a couple times a week, they were okay but now that Im checking twice a day, they seem to be getting higher and Im feeling quite anxious which isn't helping matters. I am going to see someone tomorrow, who works in the area of diabetes so will see what she says. Thanks again.
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Hi Starmaker123. You have to test before and after meals to get an idea of which foods cause large increases in your blood glucose.
 
Totto said:
LCHF=Low Carb High Fat.

Too much protein will make bg go up and may cause damage to the kidneys while fat is a completely safe and healthy choice, so long as you avoid margarine and most vegetable oils. Olive oil and coconut oil are fine though.
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Point taken, but as Mo says in a later post there is no need to do High anything. The HF may encourage a few to stuff themselves with fat which won't help weight loss if it's excessive and for some it may affect the circulation. I accept it may be difficult to eat too much fat. Like Mo I don't like the acronym LCHF that has crept into the forum in recent months hence my own version LCEF; just my personal opinion.
 
Daibell said:
Point taken, but as Mo says in a later post there is no need to do High anything. The HF may encourage a few to stuff themselves with fat which won't help weight loss if it's excessive and for some it may affect the circulation. I accept it may be difficult to eat too much fat. Like Mo I don't like the acronym LCHF that has crept into the forum in recent months hence my own version LCEF; just my personal opinion.
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How do you measure 'enough fat'? This is a genuine question, I am not being difficult/argumentative.
 
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