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New Type 2 - why me?

eastcoastphil

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East Coast UK
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Hi all,

just diagnosed today but can't help feeling why me? I guess this is fairly normal.

I'm not overweight, I don't drink or smoke, I'm fairly healthy, and there is no diabetes history in the family - go figure eh?

Joined here to find out what I can and can't eat - while my lady wife watches Masterchef on TV - wish they would stop doing all those puddings!
 
Hi Phil, sorry to read of your diagnosis and yes, what you feel is the same as most of us when first diagnosed. You'll soon realise things are not as bad as they seem now and with some changes to diet/lifestyle, you can begin to control your diabetes, not the other way around. Initially, try to educate yourself as much as poss by trawling through this forum and asking questions. I would ask your doc for a blood glucose meter ( they may say no ) so you can test your own levels at home. If they say no, if you can afford it, I would buy one. That is how you can see how certain foods affect your body. Hopefully Daisy will be along soon to post some great initial info for you to read. Take care, Mo
 
Cheers folks, don't worry chin is still up...I'm not a chin down sort of guy.

Doc did give me various blood readings which, like a muppet, I didn't really take in so can't tell you what they are. I will find out when I see the nurse on Friday for my 'pep talk'. I'm now on Metformin 500mg taking 2 x daily but on looking at various forum posts already that seems fairly normal.

Will be doing some more reading over the weekend to learn more about diet/carbs etc, but determined to lead as normal a life as possible while doing whatever I need to to achieve that. Could have been worse, Doc might have said no more riding my motorbike, now that would have been a downer!

Stay healthy peeps.
 
Hi and welcome. Can I ask how old you are and have you lost weight recently? Most of us have asked why me? I have no history of diabetes in the family apart from my nephew who is Late onset T1 as well as me. Keep the carbs down and see how your blood sugar behaves over coming months. Do ask any questions.
 
Cheers Toto.

Daibell, I'm 58 next week, about 11.5 stone, no family history, and no I haven't been losing weight. I just feel like I could sleep for England though and am exhausted much of the time (much to the amusement of work colleagues who have to nudge me to stay awake in boring management meetings)!

I see the nurse practitioner (didn't even know there was one) next Friday so no doubt all of this will become a little clearer and I will be advised what to eat etc. I see all of you put your vitals as signatures so I'll find mine so I 'fit in' with the crowd!
 
Hi Phil, Welcome to the Forum, I was diagnosed in Feb this year and like you have no family history of diabetes and not particularly overweight, walk the dog for miles twice a day, every day whatever the weather for the past 5 years, so pretty active too.

I joined this Forum for support and advice, as I was scared and felt isolated, I am really glad I did, I have learned so much about how to control my bg and what foods to eat to keep them within normal range. Your tiredness will improve once you get your levels down, and you will feel much better in yourself.

The dietary advice you get from your doctor/nurse may not be the right advice, you will see from other posts of T2 diabetics, that carbohydrates may well spike your blood sugar levels. The best thing you can do is to get a meter and test before food and 2 hours after to see what spikes your bg and what doesn't. It is unlikely that you will get a meter and strips from you doc (unless you are really lucky) as they only prescribe them to T1 diabetics, most people on here get the code free meter from Amazon as the strips are much cheaper than other makes.

I am also on 2x500mg of Metformin, but have cut my carbs right down, have a look at the some of the other Forums and posts you will be amazed at how much information you will pick up, don't try and take it all in at once, it takes a little while for you to get your head round it all. Everyone is different so what works for one may not necessarily work for someone else.

It's good to see that you are a positive sort of guy, there a lots of member on here that are really knowledgeable and ready to help you through the initial haze of information, there is no such thing as a daft question on here, so ask away.

Good luck

Marilyn
 
Cheers Toto.

Daibell, I'm 58 next week, about 11.5 stone, no family history, and no I haven't been losing weight. I just feel like I could sleep for England though and am exhausted much of the time (much to the amusement of work colleagues who have to nudge me to stay awake in boring management meetings)!

I see the nurse practitioner (didn't even know there was one) next Friday so no doubt all of this will become a little clearer and I will be advised what to eat etc. I see all of you put your vitals as signatures so I'll find mine so I 'fit in' with the crowd!

You energy will quickly come back once your blood glucose levels come down and stabilise. My dietician told me to eat plenty of carbs. I ignored her and now have much improved bg levels so please check out the diet doctor link Totto posted.

You can still have low carb puddings. Lots of ideas on this great forum :)
 
Hi Phil and welcome to the forum:)

Here is the information which we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find nearly 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Wow, what a lot of nice folks on here - thanks all for the helpful advice.

Must admit its difficult to take it all in at the moment, but in a few months I'll be living with it like I'd always had it. Just need to 'man up' and start eating veg - yuk!
 
Just spent a few hours (literally) on this site this morning and now feel so much more informed and comfortable with the situation. A lot of very useful guidance and advice, and strongly recommend any other newbies to do the same to dispel the myths and worries.
 
There's a ton of useful advice on this site. I am a recent Type 2 also and really have found this site invaluable in so many ways. From support to diet to advice, this is a great place. There is that initial "why me?" that everyone goes through, but I think once folks realize it really is a blessing in disguise, things get easier.
I have been able to get my sugar down to very respectable levels in a month with a low-carb diet and 500mg of metformin daily. Once you find out what foods effect you and how they effect you, you'll have this thing down pat. Make sure to get that BG monitor. It is a great tool in getting your sugars where they should be.
Good luck with everything!
 
Just to follow up on my original thread, I saw the nurse today and came away baffled.

I got my results (that I forget last time) of HbA1c 60mmol, and glucose (fasting) of 7.7, but she says I don't need to test my own blood? Happy that I don't have to stab myself several times a day, but if I'm on Metformin I assumed I would have to?

I have to go back in 2 weeks for a 'chat', and in the meantime to have a cholesterol bllod test, but other than that a simple photocopy document about diet advice and the clinic will call you up in a couple of months for an MOT!

Not what i was expecting .......
 
Hi Phil, my Doctor told me in December that i did not need to test i had a fasting bg reading of 10.4 i had a big row about how can i control my condition if i did not know what was happening to me i ranted on and he eventually agreed to give me a test kit, i changed doctors straight away and joined a new surgery i kept a record of my readings testing in the morning before meals 1 hour and 2 hour after, i stopped nearly all carbs and no longer eat bread rice pasta or potatoes, dont worry there are lots of alternatives, 6 weeks after my initial dx i had another blood test at the new doctors and my bg had dropped to 6.4 i recently had full bloods done and i am in the normal range fbg 5.8 hba1c 5.4 total cholesterol 5.2, i would never of been able to achieve this if i did not monitor my blood. At the end of the day its your choice, but i would not take any notice of the advice you dont need to test.

Mark
 
Just to follow up on my original thread, I saw the nurse today and came away baffled.

I got my results (that I forget last time) of HbA1c 60mmol, and glucose (fasting) of 7.7, but she says I don't need to test my own blood? Happy that I don't have to stab myself several times a day, but if I'm on Metformin I assumed I would have to?

I have to go back in 2 weeks for a 'chat', and in the meantime to have a cholesterol bllod test, but other than that a simple photocopy document about diet advice and the clinic will call you up in a couple of months for an MOT!

Not what i was expecting .......
Of course you don't have to test, but you sure want to.
 
If you get the same photocopied diet sheet as me, it will say, "eat plenty of carbs, eat less pies." Follow at your peril :eek:

I agree with mark and totto, you need to test.
 
Thanks folks, I thought it was pretty odd. When I go back in a fortnight I will bring it up again.
 
Hi Phil

Welcome to the club. As you are seeing there is so much good advise here. You can lead a long normal life, but the key is your diet and believe me and many others once you make the change you are going to feel miles better than you ever have.

The LCHF is amazing - not too worry high fat doesn't mean going crazy. When the DSN and the likes talk about eating lots of carbs, nod and smile and understand what they are really saying is eat lots of veggies and non sweet fruits like berries, avacados, cucumbers, egg plant etc.

Many of us in he club can't eat much grains, cereals, and lentils without our blood sugar spiking but that is what test is for to determine what is particular to you that either does or doesn't spike your blood sugar.

Two people that I would read and study is Jenny Ruhl http://www.bloodsugar101.com/ and my hero Dr. Bernstein Diabetic Solution. As number of people are aware I'm a 'moonie' for Dr. Bernstein. When I was first diagnosed a year ago, I threw down his book calling it pure rubbish as who could live that way. Today, I am following his advise more and more and as I continually better understand the disease, I am constantly amazed about his insights.

Three things;You were given really good advise as to not try and take it all in at once. At first it seems like it is a sprint but really it is a long slow marathon. Second, don't settle for the numbers that the DSN give you, in mine and many others opinion they are too high and lower ones can be obtained focusing on diet and exercise - the amounts depend on each individual. Third, take this disease as a wake up call and make it as serious as if you had a heart attach.

As for food, I can honestly say now, I don't really miss all the pasta, bread, cakes etc that I loved before I joined the club. It took awhile but slowly my BG levels became more important than those foods and I accepted the fact that like about 1/3 of the worlds population those high carbs foods are deadly to me in the long run.

One last thing, now instead of reaching for sweets, breads etc, I take a small sip of organic double heavy cream and am satisfied completely and now too that without couple with high carb intake that lovely smooth cream is good for me.




Sent from Runner2009 Burt
 
Hi Phil,
Commiserations on the diagnosis. Congratulations on finding the forum. I think I was in denial for something over 12 months after I discovered I was T2.

As a fairly recent T2'er, one of the things which confused me was people quoting their HbA1c as a percentage (5.5%; 7.2% whatever). My doc or nurse have always given me mine in mmol/mol, like yours. Last time (due to a bad autumn) it was 63 - I asked the doc what that was as a % - she said about 6.5%. Wrong! It's actually just under 8%. On Diabetes UK they have a chart called '50 shades of Diabetes' - It will help with translations of the various numbers you'll see quoted. Ours is the top row - percentages are the second row. The third and fourth rows convert between our meters and the US equivalent.

There is a link on http://www.diabetes.co.uk/what-is-hba1c.html which will get it for you.
Those of us treated with insulin are given a meter, with memory (and the requisite supplies) by the NHS. I think that is mainly due to the fact that when driving we may need to be able to prove we were 'in range' at most two hours before whatever raises the question.

Get a notebook. Record your Hb1Ac together with the date the blood was taken. It might be a year before your GP pays for another :-)
Record useful sites you find online. If you can, print out useful charts, diagrams and texts and stick them into your notebook. In six months time it will all make more sense.

You are right to keep your chin up! Nom Illegit Carborundum...


J.
 
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