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'Newcastle diet' advice

So, back on treadmill today after two weeks break following my eye surgery. Half an hour. Completely knackered now, but hopefully the exercise will push down BS levels. And kick start weight loss! SO hard to keep going when weight loss seems to have stopped, and BS levels still a bit erratic. Will keep at it and update!
 
paulins said:
So, back on treadmill today after two weeks break following my eye surgery. Half an hour. Completely knackered now, but hopefully the exercise will push down BS levels. And kick start weight loss! SO hard to keep going when weight loss seems to have stopped, and BS levels still a bit erratic. Will keep at it and update!
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Good for you, Paulins. Not easy after a break and your surgery.
Best wishes
Pipp
 
paulins said:
Yes Pipp you will. We need to keep motivating and supporting each other. I keep telling myself to have realistic goals. I'll follow Andrew and you follow me! Andrew, how can you hear the TV over the racket the treadmill makes?


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@paulins are you still on the low calorie diet or have you increased it now? If you increased it what did you eat extra to provide extra calories? If you are still on low calorie then I don;t have any idea how I will stay ahead of you so it will become you <--- me <---pipp However, I read a post of someone else this week who is so far ahead of us in the process. Just wish I could remember who it was. There is one more that we should be in awe of and that is @AndBreathe as she is just so far ahead of us and there is no way I will ever be at her levels. She will have to become your next target.

@Pipp My nurse said that at my surgery they monitor the gastric band people for 3 years before they take them off the register. I am not sure she had come across anyone doing what we have before.
 
Andrew, I haven't increased calories yet as I thought I'd see if the weight began to come off again once I resumed exercise. I have begun a chart to see patterns over the weeks/months so will see what happens. I'll need to look up AndBreathe! But, no, I am going to keep you as my target, and we can encourage Pipp.

My GP said she had never seen anyone like me who said that would lose all this weight to reverse the diabetes then went off and lost all this weight! She thinks I am very single-minded!
 
paulins said:
Andrew, I haven't increased calories yet as I thought I'd see if the weight began to come off again once I resumed exercise. I have begun a chart to see patterns over the weeks/months so will see what happens. I'll need to look up AndBreathe! But, no, I am going to keep you as my target, and we can encourage Pipp.

My GP said she had never seen anyone like me who said that would lose all this weight to reverse the diabetes then went off and lost all this weight! She thinks I am very single-minded!
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Is it single-minded or scared witless of what lies ahead. I know it was the latter for me
 
Andrew Colvin said:
@paulins are you still on the low calorie diet or have you increased it now? If you increased it what did you eat extra to provide extra calories? If you are still on low calorie then I don;t have any idea how I will stay ahead of you so it will become you <--- me <---pipp However, I read a post of someone else this week who is so far ahead of us in the process. Just wish I could remember who it was. There is one more that we should be in awe of and that is @AndBreathe as she is just so far ahead of us and there is no way I will ever be at her levels. She will have to become your next target.

@Pipp My nurse said that at my surgery they monitor the gastric band people for 3 years before they take them off the register. I am not sure she had come across anyone doing what we have before.
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Confused now. Andrew, do you mean they don't know of others who have been 3 years in non-diabetic b g readings who haven't had bariatric surgery? What about Prof Taylor et al at Newcastle?
 
Looked at AndBreathe but could not see weight loss/ BS levels. What has he/she achieved? This could be our target!

P
 
Pipp said:
Confused now. Andrew, do you mean they don't know of others who have been 3 years in non-diabetic b g readings who haven't had bariatric surgery? What about Prof Taylor et al at Newcastle?
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sorry must be badly written...
She had never heard of prof taylor and his research
She hadnt experienced anyone do what I have unless they had bariatric surgery
Those that reverse via bariatric surgery are taken off the list after 3 years monitoring

Unless of course she was just trying not to steal my moment of glory ;)

Hope that is clearer
 
fastings most mornings at 4 or thereabouts - she posts them on the fastings thread. I physically can't get to that level without my liver raising me up (4.3 is my base)
 
Andrew Colvin said:
fastings most mornings at 4 or thereabouts - she posts them on the fastings thread. I physically can't get to that level without my liver raising me up (4.3 is my base)
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Wonder what she is doing to achieve these fab levels! My lowest fasting was 3.4, but that was only once and it ranges mainly between 4.8-5.4.
 
you have similar fastings as me.
 
paulins said:
Wonder what she is doing to achieve these fab levels! My lowest fasting was 3.4, but that was only once and it ranges mainly between 4.8-5.4.
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Andrew and Paulins

I am so grateful to you both for your encouragement and sharing info.
I maybe need to be a bit more open about myself. I find it difficult to share personal info but I am prepared to risk it. If it is boring you please feel free to ignore.
I was diagnosed T2 aged 50. I weighed 144kg. Prescribed metformin 500mg 3 times a day. Also blood glucose monitor, fasting reading in morning varied between 8.4 and 11.6. Referred to weight management clinic and started exercising in water once a week, on low fat diet. Later increased exercise to 2 or 3 times a week. After 3 years of this I still weighed 137kg and was offered bariatric surgery. I refused this and queried why if patients having this surgery had normal blood glucose readings within days, could I not just follow their diet without the surgery. I was told I would not be able to, as I would be hungry all the time. Searching for any evidence that it could be done I came across Prof Taylor's research. It was in the early stages, and there was not as much info available as now. Six years after my T2diagnosis I persuaded my GP to let me try it. I was to scared to do it alone. He agreed, as long as I was monitored by the surgery or pharmacist. I was not aware that the first Newcastle trial participants had supplemented the diet with vegetables, and was using Lipotrim, which gave approx 600 calories a day. So that was what I did, just the Lipotrim products as prescribed, and lots of water.

I began Newcastle regime in September 2011. I stayed on Lipotrim for 9 weeks to start. Within days I was having fasting BG readings around 4.8, and even the post prandial readings were normal. BG levels have remained stable within non-diabetic range since. After the initial 9 weeks I repeated the diet for another 6 weeks. This was more to lose weight than to control BG, although I was worried that as I was still obese the better BG might be temporary.

My lowest weight recently has been in May 2012, when I was 95 kg. 49kg less than when I was first diagnosed. Since then, although I have been ill, had two major operations with complications, and gained some weight, (was112kg a few weeks ago) BG has stayed below diabetic levels. I want to stay that way, which is why I have started Newcastling again. Alarmed by a slightly raised recent HbA1c of 41 recently. I must emphasise my surgery was not diabetes related, it was to repair damage due to previous surgery years ago.

I would be interested to know if there is anyone else who has maintained non-diabetic BG for a significant length of time, following Newcastle diet, despite still being obese.

My original motivation was the sheer terror of having complications of diabetes. My motivation now is a worry that having perhaps removed some of the risks, through gaining weight I am inviting those risks back into my life.
Thanking you both, and striving to achieve sensible weightloss to the level you have.
Pipp
 
Brightside said:
Kim Paulins you are the best! Well done and keep going!

The Newcastle diet is / was a study and showed that weight loss helps diabetes type 2! Which conversely proves that type two is in effect a fat mans disease!

So losing weight will be of benefit!

Now you can lose it fast ie 800 Kcals a day plus a shake over 8 weeks, or more gradually over a longer period! I've chosen the later but it's more of a lifestyle change!

So what is my secret
Im calorie counting and use one of those scanning apps such as nutra check or myfitnesspal.
They're programmed for 1kg per week of weight loss.
For a fatty like me that's 2100 Kcals per day I can eat!
This is easy to maintain and some days....very few ...I find I actually have some cals left over to consume!
I eat most everything, but often check first to see the impact on my limit ie if the cals are too many then I either reduce the amount or discard.
Exercise....this is a must! I run for 3km every second day...we must remember it's all about the metabolism, and our bodies sugar/glucose/insulin metabolism is up the creek! So how to stimulate the metabolism? Exercise exercise exercise! Get that blood pumping! I've also started cycling on weekends!
Don't worry if you fall off the wagon....tomorrow go for a run again and eat your calories....it's only an issue if you make it a habit!

Results so far!
3stone in a year that's down from 123 kg to 102kg yesterday :)
Fitter healthier and sleep better
Blood glucose down from 19 to never above 6 fasting
Have stopped the meds medformin and cliczlazide (my gp is going to go ballistic)
Discipline which I find is easy....I either kill the disease, cause if I don't it will kill me!
Also I don't want to be on meds for the rest of my life!
Aim....to weigh in at 90 Kgs that's 12kgs to go!


I think it's all about weight loss and exercise....how you do it is not important, it's that you shed the weight that is!

Sorry if I sound a bit like I'm gloating, but I can tell you it's a big achievement for me! :)) in fact I am able to fly gliders again, a passion of mine I could not pursue since 10 yrs due to being over the weight limit!

Ah yes then there's that thing with the missus, she's chuffed that I'm back to the weight I was when we first met.....until I asked her if we can go back to having sex again like we had back then.... :)





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Hi Brightside
wow you are going some, just shows we can all get a result in our own way. Apply the principle don't just follow the 'instructions' this thing can be be beat..

K
 
What a great and supportive bunch of people you are!! We are in this together and it is exchanges such as these that keep me going. You inspire and motivate me. I look forward to the day that we all achieve our goals and have exemplary BG levels. Pipp, you are doing just great. Thank you for sharing.


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Brightside - when I stop Newcastle
I will follow low calorie like you and get into maintenance. I do not want to put it all back on. I am thinking about trying to do a 10k for cancer research next year - what an achievement that would be for me!


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Ha ha peacetrain! Our posts crossed! I hope to do a marathon next year.


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