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Type 2's: What was your fasting blood glucose in a morning?

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Sable_Jan said:
Never change your method of getting your message across - the FORUM description just backed up what you were saying :). Your "long monologue" was interesting to read (the phrase implies boring to me but that is one thing which you are not!)
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You are too kind :-)
 
Mike D said:
No i don't .... if there's one thing I hate, it's that process. You can poke needles in me, do anything you want, but once that damned wrap is put around my upper arm, I hate it :) I can almost feel the BP rise as I'm afraid of the score.

The odd thing is that the more often they do it in the same session only minutes apart (and I insist on it as I tend to relax more and more intent on thinking of anything other than the result as the time goes by) the lower the BP reading is .... as much as 10 points.
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For a lady (erm, well maybe not fully fitting of the image that implies) with mild fibromyalgia those things raise my bp (automatic ones) betcause they hurt so darned much - the nurses at the fb clinic pretty much poopooed the idea that pain could spike my BP....mmm, at least the specialist understood and the nurse at the health centre too. One of the doctors refuses to use those and sticks to the hand pump version when taking BP
 
Mike D said:
Call me dumb AB but is WCS simply fear of the regimented process? If that's the case, I'll just go buy one :)

Mike.
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Think in general terms its a subconscious fear of going to visit the doctor as much as specific tests being done. The fear raises the BP ...... even affects the dogs readings at the vets when they are listening to heart and lungs
 
NoCrbs4Me said:
Interesting. This seems to be more a study on the blood glucose levels of people who are considered non-diabetic based on HbA1c and fasting blood glucose testing, rather than a study of completely healthy people with respect to their insulin resistance/beta cells. An alternate conclusion might be that people considered healthy based on fasting blood glucose and HbA1c tests, but have not had an OGTT, may not be 100% healthy with respect to glycemic control.
"The limitations of the current study include the absence of OGTTs to rule out diabetes with certainty or to classify participants as having IGT." What's missing from the study is that they didn't actually verify that the people were completely healthy.
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I understand that this is based on the results of the non diabetic control group of a separate study dealing with glucose averages and HBa1c.

The study itself states that "non-diabetic participants were selected on the basis of having no history of diabetes, a plasma glucose level ≤5.4 mmol/l (97 mg/dl) after an overnight fast and HbA1c <6.5%. The plasma glucose cut-off was chosen due to its high specificity for excluding diabetes without performing an OGTT".

So if an oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) is the best way to diagnose impaired glucose tolerance (IGT), and the other two widely used methods are unreliable, then you are right.

I was never actually given an OGTT myself, I was first diagnosed on the basis of a single fasting glucose count; mind you this was in the high teens so it did not leave much room for doubt!

I wonder how common OGTTs are?

It would be interesting to know what percentage of members have actually had one ( not a diy home OGTT but a proper hospital test)?

I was not given an Hba1c test either until about three months after diagnosis. I did not know to ask for one then.

Pavlos
 
pavlosn said:
I understand that this is based on the results of the non diabetic control group of a separate study dealing with glucose averages and HBa1c.

The study itself states that "non-diabetic participants were selected on the basis of having no history of diabetes, a plasma glucose level ≤5.4 mmol/l (97 mg/dl) after an overnight fast and HbA1c <6.5%. The plasma glucose cut-off was chosen due to its high specificity for excluding diabetes without performing an OGTT".

So if an oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) is the best way to diagnose impaired glucose tolerance (IGT), and the other two widely used methods are unreliable, then you are right.

I was never actually given an OGTT myself, I was first diagnosed on the basis of a single fasting glucose count; mind you this was in the high teens so it did not leave much room for doubt!

I wonder how common OGTTs are?

It would be interesting to know what percentage of members have actually had one ( not a diy home OGTT but a proper hospital test)?

I was not given an Hba1c test either until about three months after diagnosis. I did not know to ask for one then.

Pavlos
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Probably not many. I've never had one. I wouldn't say that an OGTT is the best way to diagnose diabetes, just another way. I think it's possible to have "nondiabetic" results for 2 of the 3 tests and still be diabetic, although I suspect the other 2 would be quite high.
 
NoCrbs4Me said:
Probably not many. I've never had one. I wouldn't say that an OGTT is the best way to diagnose diabetes, just another way. I think it's possible to have "nondiabetic" results for 2 of the 3 tests and still be diabetic, although I suspect the other 2 would be quite high.
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I could be wrong, but I think @toto was only diagnosed through OGTT, her other counts being normal.
 
beatdise said:
Yes how did you know? I just got carried away,,,,
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Have the same failing with "measuring" rice for a single portion :D - and when there's more rice in the pan for multiple portions I always put out too much out unless I portion it out first between plastic storage cartons (of same size) then I KNOW I've only got a portion's worth in my bowl.
 
A nice "rise" of minus 0.3 from 5.6 to 5.3 after lunch of a 3 egg omelette with two tomatoes, grated red Leicester (unmeasured) and 2 blocks of frozen spinach..... going to treat myself to a small cox apple now
 
pavlosn said:
I understand that this is based on the results of the non diabetic control group of a separate study dealing with glucose averages and HBa1c.

The study itself states that "non-diabetic participants were selected on the basis of having no history of diabetes, a plasma glucose level ≤5.4 mmol/l (97 mg/dl) after an overnight fast and HbA1c <6.5%. The plasma glucose cut-off was chosen due to its high specificity for excluding diabetes without performing an OGTT".

So if an oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) is the best way to diagnose impaired glucose tolerance (IGT), and the other two widely used methods are unreliable, then you are right.

I was never actually given an OGTT myself, I was first diagnosed on the basis of a single fasting glucose count; mind you this was in the high teens so it did not leave much room for doubt!

I wonder how common OGTTs are?

It would be interesting to know what percentage of members have actually had one ( not a diy home OGTT but a proper hospital test)?

I was not given an Hba1c test either until about three months after diagnosis. I did not know to ask for one then.

Pavlos
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Well, if you're volunteering to do a poll, @pavlosn ...........I had an OGTT at the hospital. Result was 11.7
 
dianagrace said:
This was exactly what my GP said to me yesterday - he even drew me a graph, showing me where I was and how everything beneath it was unsafe and too low. I haven't wanted to say too much here as I know some folk have purposely low targets or naturally low bs but it does seem to be the general medical belief that too low bs have as much risk of complications as high ones. :( Interesting we should both have encountered this theory within 24 hours
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Hi Diana! Well, I have
alliebee said:
The trouble is as we know we are always given 'standard ' advice from drs and D nurses...I'm getting to the point of not knowing what's the best. I'm happy with my lower readings. And unsettled to get advice like this.
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I'm only just catching up on here alliebee after a busy day with gp appointment and a job interview a couple of hours later- soon got to go out again to a school presentation evening, co-incedentally my GP has unsettled, confused and befuddled me too!! I intended starting a new thread to get everyone's opinion.....and I will do shortly!! Just going to catch up on posts here- think they are out to get us this week!!
 
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