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LCHF or LCFF?!!

I have to confess I became very confused with the high fat aspect. I read up on LCHF, and embraced the bit that suggested eat until you feel you have had enough. Trouble is I never feel as I have eaten enough, and didn't think about the calorie count. So I would agree that full fat makes more sense than high fat. Just substituting the low fat 'healthy' yogurts milk, cheese etc for the real full fat makes sense. For someone with a fair bit of weight to lose like I have it is no use glugging cream, and bullet proof coffee etc. and expecting a miracle weight loss.
 
Totto said:
Do you really recommend a daily calorie intake of 1200 calories? That is starvation and can't be healthy for anybody. I'd say it is dangerous. Normal calorie intake for a woman is around 2000 per day. At least in my country.
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long term under 1,000 calories is ok if you have weight to lose

http://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/dietary_guidelines_after_gastric_bypass/
Recommended Meal Plan for Six Months Post-Surgery and Beyond
  • Continue consuming 900 to 1,000 calories per day
  • Decrease to three meals and only one to two snacks per day
  • Discontinue taking high-protein liquid supplement drinks
  • Increase the variety of low-fat, low-sugar and low-calorie foods, as tolerated
  • Avoid raw vegetables, fresh fruits with skins, dried fruits, breads, popcorn, nuts and red meats only if poorly tolerated
Long-term Dietary Guidelines
Over time, you will be able to increase the variety and consistency of foods in your diet. Some foods may continue to be poorly tolerated, including red meats, chicken, breads, and high-fiber fruits and vegetables. Focus on low-fat, low-sugar and low-calorie foods and continue to count your calories every day. Try to meet your serving goals for all food groups based on the 900 to 1,000 calories diet plan described above.

To stay well hydrated, drink at least 2 liters of water or non-caloric fluids daily, unless this is contraindicated due to a medical condition.
 
noblehead said:
Wow kat, where have you been, not seen you on the forum for a while, nice to see you back :)

Apologies BeeGee, good luck with the diet.
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Hi @noblehead , I remain unwell with laryngitis , cough chest Infection and no voice since 6 December ....vocal,cords to be checked in a few weeks so hope voice comes back ....appetite remains really poor , just resting , I must say though that I don't think this is man flu :eek::D:p
Three lots of antibiotics none have worked yet ...this is one awful virus ....
Dropped in yesterday and today because I miss all my good friends on here ...and just want to say have a happy new year ....I read you are having a take away ,,,,,,,,now that is a good idea ....:)
Tom has awful cough , but has a voice ....our Christmas lunch is now in the freezer and all veggies doing well being stored in the garage , we hope we feel like cooking again soon .....
Great chatting with you ....back as soon as I have more engery ....take care ....best wishes ...kat x
 
BeeGee said:
HI there,
Well, I've been reading answers to a question in the Newly Diagnosed forum about how much fat to eat.
The answers were really interesting and I have decided that for me it is not going to be a low carb high fat diet, but a low carb full fat diet!
Does that make sense???
I had become a bit side tracked by the idea of "needing" to eat lots of fats while lowering my carbs.
As I had my gall bladder removed I'm slightly wary of eating too much fat and this had really put me off doing the LFHC eating programme.
Silly I know, but I didn't quite get it!
Now I'm telling myself that its really low carb and full fats, not reduced fat / no fat yoghurts, spreads etc. (Low Carb Full Fats)
It may amount to the same thing in reality, but suddenly I get it! (Yes, I know, slow learner here)
So I'm off to begin the new regime with my shopping this evening, I really need to lose at least 4 stone so I'll be interested to see how it goes.
On another slightly different note - I have found it really helpful to read the thread in the Low Carb Diet forum "What have you eaten today?"
Seeing what other have chosen for their meals has been really great for helping me to find some new and super ideas of what to choose to eat.
Thanks guys, you're great!
Bee Gee
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I think LCHF and LCFF is the same thing for most of us. olive oil salad dressing and not fat free dressing, is but one change.
this is full on ketogenic and most don't go this much,
~1400 calories, 35g carb...70g protein..95g fat
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Bluetit1802 said:
It isn't a starvation level. It is a recognised weight loss level for women. It is the level My Fitness Pal recommended for me in order to lose 2lbs a week, which was my aim, and which I accomplished.
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The number of calories you should eat will depend on a number of factors. How tall you are, how sedentary your life style is and how quickly you want to loose weight, how much weight you need to loose. If you have a lot to loose your calories should decrease every time you loose a stone approximately. There are lots of sites that can give you information on the number of calories you should be eating...
http://authoritynutrition.com/how-many-calories-per-day/
 
jack412 said:
long term under 1,000 calories is ok if you have weight to lose

http://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/dietary_guidelines_after_gastric_bypass/
Recommended Meal Plan for Six Months Post-Surgery and Beyond
  • Continue consuming 900 to 1,000 calories per day
  • Decrease to three meals and only one to two snacks per day
  • Discontinue taking high-protein liquid supplement drinks
  • Increase the variety of low-fat, low-sugar and low-calorie foods, as tolerated
  • Avoid raw vegetables, fresh fruits with skins, dried fruits, breads, popcorn, nuts and red meats only if poorly tolerated
Long-term Dietary Guidelines
Over time, you will be able to increase the variety and consistency of foods in your diet. Some foods may continue to be poorly tolerated, including red meats, chicken, breads, and high-fiber fruits and vegetables. Focus on low-fat, low-sugar and low-calorie foods and continue to count your calories every day. Try to meet your serving goals for all food groups based on the 900 to 1,000 calories diet plan described above.


To stay well hydrated, drink at least 2 liters of water or non-caloric fluids daily, unless this is contraindicated due to a medical condition.
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I actually agree with Jack here.
The Newcastle diet is 800 calories a day, which is fine.
But it does mean a slab of butter, for example, is nearly 800 calories per 100g.
So a slab of butter is two and a half days food, in it's own right.

So, LCFF, needs a bit of maths behind it.
 
The overriding reason for me losing weight is low carbing, not high fat, I don't do high fat! I do full fat as much as my bloods will allow and I think I'm close to getting the balance right.
It's all about how much you eat due to your metabolism. Too much and no matter what, you won't lose any weight, too little and it could be dangerous.
To answer the OPs question should be find out what suits you and experiment and test and get the balance right for him.
If his general health improves and his blood sugars drop and he also loses weight over a reasonable period of time. Control is the key.

If not then revise his intake and his diet.
Experiment, test, test some more, get control!
 
douglas99 said:
I actually agree with Jack here.
The Newcastle diet is 800 calories a day, which is fine.
But it does mean a slab of butter, for example, is nearly 800 calories per 100g.
So a slab of butter is two and a half days food, in it's own right.

So, LCFF, needs a bit of maths behind it.
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we never agree ..I must be wrong :)

the milkdrinks have too much carb in the 200 cal for me, the diet has about 100g of carb a day that you don't metabolically need and dropping proteins and fats that you do need
how I would set up the newcastle 800cal is....
protein 60g
carb 30g from veg
fat 50g
you are getting near your minimum recomended protein and fat and as healthy as I can make it
 
Kat100 said:
Hi @noblehead , I remain unwell with laryngitis , cough chest Infection and no voice since 6 December ....vocal,cords to be checked in a few weeks so hope voice comes back ....appetite remains really poor , just resting , I must say though that I don't think this is man flu :eek::D:p
Three lots of antibiotics none have worked yet ...this is one awful virus ....
Dropped in yesterday and today because I miss all my good friends on here ...and just want to say have a happy new year ....I read you are having a take away ,,,,,,,,now that is a good idea ....:)
Tom has awful cough , but has a voice ....our Christmas lunch is now in the freezer and all veggies doing well being stored in the garage , we hope we feel like cooking again soon .....
Great chatting with you ....back as soon as I have more engery ....take care ....best wishes ...kat x
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Sorry to read that you've been unwell Kat and do hope that your all feeling better soon, the Christmas dinner will keep and you'll enjoy it all the more when you do get round to eating it, take care :)
 
Totto said:
What should my daily intake of calories be?



Within a healthy, balanced diet, a man needs around 10,500kJ (2,500Kcal) a day to maintain his weight. For a woman, that figure is around 8,400kJ (2,000Kcal) a day.

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/pages/1126.aspx?categoryid=51

And who says it is reasonable or even healthy to aim for a weight loss of 2 lbs a week? That is close to one kilogram!
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Bearing in mind that NHS dietary advice has been largely wrong for us and based on weak or absent evidence, why would I trust NHS advice on daily calorie intake? I need convincing that any of this recommended daily calorie intake is based on statistically valid data. Even if it is, then there is such a variation in body mass and metabolic rate etc it can only be typical and with a wide spread around that.
 
Daibell said:
Bearing in mind that NHS dietary advice has been largely wrong for us and based on weak or absent evidence, why would I trust NHS advice on daily calorie intake? I need convincing that any of this recommended daily calorie intake is based on statistically valid data. Even if it is, then there is such a variation in body mass and metabolic rate etc it can only be typical and with a wide spread around that.
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Then, what do you believe your intake should be?
If we can compile a proper table, we can come up with a real answer,
 
well calories are calories I think. It is the carbs that I cant take.
 
@jack412 , maybe I'm reading that diagram incorrectly (it's late!) but as I see it, the graph shows a total of 2800 cals, 50% of which are supposed to come from body fat.
That's 1400 calories from diet

5% of 2800 cals = 140cals @4cal a gram= 35 g carbs
20% of 2800 cals = 560 cals @ 4 cal a gram = 140g protein :
25% of 2800 cals = 700 cals @ 9 cal a gram = 77. 7 g fat
 
phoenix said:
@jack412 , maybe I'm reading that diagram incorrectly (it's late!) but as I see it, the graph shows a total of 2800 cals, 50% of which are supposed to come from body fat.
That's 1400 calories from diet

5% of 2800 cals = 140cals @4cal a gram= 35 g carbs
20% of 2800 cals = 560 cals @ 4 cal a gram = 140g protein :
25% of 2800 cals = 700 cals @ 9 cal a gram = 77. 7 g fat
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yes, that's what the chart shows. it also shows 110g protein in maintain @ 2200 calories
this sentence goes with my numbers "this is full on ketogenic and most don't go this much",
I did what I would do, I wouldn't eat 140g of protein, so I cut that to 70g and added fat to 95g to stay around the 1400
 
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