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Newbie, trying LCHF but have a bit of a problem

lizzi51

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Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
Hello - this is my first post here. I was recently diagnosed as prediabetic and am supposed to be going on a course about this but don't know when. In the meantime I have found this forum and have been learning from it and have been following a LCHF diet for a few weeks. I've lost some surplus weight and like the food and the fact that it is a diet without hunger. The only problem is that I am used to getting a lot of exercise (hill-walking most days) but now I find I'm getting light headed and weak after a while when walking. After today's walk I was tired and shaky and decided to try out my new codefree meter. I'm still struggling a bit to use it and thought at first I'd messed it up when the reading appeared - 2.2 mmol - but then realised I might be hypo. I'm only prediabetic and not on any medication. Is it possible for me to have hypos? Is there anything I can do about it? The normal advice seems to be to eat some sweets or other fast acting carbohydrates. Is this a good idea if one is on a LCHF diet? Or should I come off the diet? I could do with some advice!
 
You need to plan for hill walking etc with more protein bars or a 9 bar or you may get away with even having a banana to boost levels. It us possible for people to go hypoglaecimic even if they are non diabetic.

Indon't know the full ins and outs of hillwalking and what you should use but @ElyDave is physically active he may be able to help more...
 
Hi Lizzi

@daisy1 will be along with some advice shortly too

The fact you have a meter and have joined here is a great start

You may find gels work for you too (like the ones in your local cycle shop or sold via outdoor stores)

Best thing to do is speak to your Doctor on Monday though
 
At 2.2 you'd need to eat/drink something quick to raise your levels. I was told a glass of milk is best as the sugar will get into your bloodstram quickly, but other people might have different ideas. Hope you're ok now?

Sorry I can't give any advice pre-diabetes and hypos, hopefully somebody else can help more. I'd stick to the diet, lchf is a healthy way for anyone to eat, but maybe you're not eating enough?
 
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Hi Lizzi,

As I understand it, if you go on an LCHF diet, it takes anything from 2-6 weeks for your body to adapt. During this time, it is advised that you refrain from any vigorous exercise.

Hope that helps..I'm sure some more experienced low-carbers will be along with proper explanations and helpful links..Meantime, I would temporarily refrain from exercising particularly if you are becoming hypoglycemic whilst doing so.

Hope it works out for you.

MO
 
Hello - this is my first post here. I was recently diagnosed as prediabetic and am supposed to be going on a course about this but don't know when. In the meantime I have found this forum and have been learning from it and have been following a LCHF diet for a few weeks. I've lost some surplus weight and like the food and the fact that it is a diet without hunger. The only problem is that I am used to getting a lot of exercise (hill-walking most days) but now I find I'm getting light headed and weak after a while when walking. After today's walk I was tired and shaky and decided to try out my new codefree meter. I'm still struggling a bit to use it and thought at first I'd messed it up when the reading appeared - 2.2 mmol - but then realised I might be hypo. I'm only prediabetic and not on any medication. Is it possible for me to have hypos? Is there anything I can do about it? The normal advice seems to be to eat some sweets or other fast acting carbohydrates. Is this a good idea if one is on a LCHF diet? Or should I come off the diet? I could do with some advice!

When you had your 2.2 reading, did you retest to double check it? I would wash my hand (if I could) and test again to ensure the reading was correct.

Anyone can suffer from low blood sugars, and assuming your 2.2 was correct, that's pretty low in anyone's book. When I have gone low (and I haven't quite dipped as low as you, to my knowledge), I try not to grab sweets or biscuits, but have a cup of tea or something, just with some milk, which brings me up a bit. For those of us who are pretty healthy, our livers help us out when we get low, by releasing some of its glucose stores into our blood streams to keep us going. (That's obviously very simplified, but you might get the drift.)

It sounds like you may simply not be eating enough to cope with your activity levels. In which case, eat a bit more an appropriate amount of time before exercising.

Keep track of your bloods, including during your walks to see how you track along, and eat accordingly. If it keeps happening, then it could be advisable to seek professional advice. The advice would likely be to eat more carbs. As a pre-diabetic, that mightn't be such a dreadful idea, around your exercise; provided you don't have big spikes in your scores.
 
Thanks for all the sensible advice I'm getting - really appreciated. On reflection, I've been getting these weak and shaky episodes for years but didn't realise it might be caused by low blood sugar. I thought it was just one of those things and always dealt with it by eating sugary and carby food (flapjack being a favourite!) but will have to try and find a lower carb way of dealing with it now. Maybe a few slow and gentle walks are called for, with plenty of resting places, and some experiments with the suggestions you have given.
 
Hello - this is my first post here. I was recently diagnosed as prediabetic and am supposed to be going on a course about this but don't know when. In the meantime I have found this forum and have been learning from it and have been following a LCHF diet for a few weeks. I've lost some surplus weight and like the food and the fact that it is a diet without hunger. The only problem is that I am used to getting a lot of exercise (hill-walking most days) but now I find I'm getting light headed and weak after a while when walking. After today's walk I was tired and shaky and decided to try out my new codefree meter. I'm still struggling a bit to use it and thought at first I'd messed it up when the reading appeared - 2.2 mmol - but then realised I might be hypo. I'm only prediabetic and not on any medication. Is it possible for me to have hypos? Is there anything I can do about it? The normal advice seems to be to eat some sweets or other fast acting carbohydrates. Is this a good idea if one is on a LCHF diet? Or should I come off the diet? I could do with some advice!
ask your Dr..if you have just started LCHF, the exercise could be overdone..you haven't adapted to fat burning yet ..
what normally happens is that your liver will dump 'sugar' to keep your bloods stable between 3.5 and 7 for what's normal. 2.2 is hypo and you would treat with glucose..keep a diary and if it's not a one off the dr may do some testing.
 
Thanks for all the sensible advice I'm getting - really appreciated. On reflection, I've been getting these weak and shaky episodes for years but didn't realise it might be caused by low blood sugar. I thought it was just one of those things and always dealt with it by eating sugary and carby food (flapjack being a favourite!) but will have to try and find a lower carb way of dealing with it now. Maybe a few slow and gentle walks are called for, with plenty of resting places, and some experiments with the suggestions you have given.
you may have what's called reactive hypo
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/reactive-hypoglycaemia.71083/
 
@lizzi51

Hello Lizzi and welcome to the forum :)

You have already received some very good and useful advice. Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful. If you have more questions, ask away and someone will come and help, as you have already seen.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi. When going very low-carb you would expect to go into ketosis where nthe body burns fat. It can take some weeks for the body to get used to this which is why athletes need to train a lot to avoid hitting the 'wall'. In the mean-time as others have said have some form of carb before walking and if needed during or after. It may not need to be much e.g.a piece of fruit but measuring yourself should help guide you.
 
Hello and welcome! I'm not familiar with pre-diabetes, I went literally cold turkey into lchf on diagnosis late June and have adapted so well, I do remember feeling a little weak in between meals the first couple of weeks but never do now and I'm now more active than ever! Hope you get some solid advice- you are in the right place for that for sure!! Keep posting
 
Many thanks to everyone - it's great to find such a supportive community. I went for a walk today and tried to incorporate advice given by everyone - all sensible, and it seemed to work. It was a slow stroll - hardly ranked as exercise at all! - with plenty of stops to rest and snack, more food and more carbs but not too many, etc. The meter showed no big ups or downs, varying between 5.2 and 5.7. Best of all I didn't feel light-headed, shaky, weak, etc, as I have while walking recently. So easy does it, and I hope I can manage more later, getting up onto the hills and walking further.
 
Many thanks to everyone - it's great to find such a supportive community. I went for a walk today and tried to incorporate advice given by everyone - all sensible, and it seemed to work. It was a slow stroll - hardly ranked as exercise at all! - with plenty of stops to rest and snack, more food and more carbs but not too many, etc. The meter showed no big ups or downs, varying between 5.2 and 5.7. Best of all I didn't feel light-headed, shaky, weak, etc, as I have while walking recently. So easy does it, and I hope I can manage more later, getting up onto the hills and walking further.
Yaaaay!! Result!!!! Keep walking AND testing:)
 
When you had your 2.2 reading, did you retest to double check it? I would wash my hand (if I could) and test again to ensure the reading was correct.

Anyone can suffer from low blood sugars, and assuming your 2.2 was correct, that's pretty low in anyone's book. When I have gone low (and I haven't quite dipped as low as you, to my knowledge), I try not to grab sweets or biscuits, but have a cup of tea or something, just with some milk, which brings me up a bit. For those of us who are pretty healthy, our livers help us out when we get low, by releasing some of its glucose stores into our blood streams to keep us going. (That's obviously very simplified, but you might get the drift.)

It sounds like you may simply not be eating enough to cope with your activity levels. In which case, eat a bit more an appropriate amount of time before exercising.

Keep track of your bloods, including during your walks to see how you track along, and eat accordingly. If it keeps happening, then it could be advisable to seek professional advice. The advice would likely be to eat more carbs. As a pre-diabetic, that mightn't be such a dreadful idea, around your exercise; provided you don't have big spikes in your scores.
No, I didn't retest - it would have been wiser, wouldn't it? I hope it might have been an inaccurate reading, although the meter is quick to give an error message if anything isn't right. I supposed at first the reading was a mistake, but given that I was feeling so awful at the time thought I should take it seriously. Yes, tea with milk sounds good. I've got some of that powdered tea with dried milk (not a great taste but easy to carry in a rucksack in case of emergency).
 
Not really.. If it shows 2.2.. Always wash if you'r high.. Cosits easy to get an old bit of food leftovers on hand that could shoot level up higher..

But as far as I know there us nothing that could get on hands to show a duff low reading.

If it show under 4 then it means your body needs glucose from a source of some kind.....

Anything under 4 needs to be treated pronto....
 
Not really.. If it shows 2.2.. Always wash if you'r high.. Cosits easy to get an old bit of food leftovers on hand that could shoot level up higher..

But as far as I know there us nothing that could get on hands to show a duff low reading.

If it show under 4 then it means your body needs glucose from a source of some kind.....

Anything under 4 needs to be treated pronto....
they say..normals and T2 non insulin/hypo med don't need to treat 4..normals start at 3.5 and under 3 needs treating and dr advice
 
I've had "normal" people around me that have been working up ladders as a builder and feeling odd..and disorientated. I have had an anorexic friend that has had abnormal low's constantly in the 2's and 3's. Shel was displaying constant signs of her brain not working properly and being fed constantly orange juice by nhs staff and huge amounts of carbs to try and balance her....The anorexic I inderstand it being a longterm prob. But the builder had to stop going up ladders and adjust his job.

Fell walking... You need to get your levels up otherwise your brain as you have realised will not be acting properly..
I believe the jack412 could be stating as a generalised thought..but the original poster says has felt odd at ither times too.... This should not be dismissed....
 
I think if you feel hypo, treat it, it doesn't matter what your BG is..
dr told a non insulin/hypo med, poster here even if you feel ok, under 3 should be treated and dr advice
a normal/T2 non hypo med.. at 3.5 would be treating hypos all day if 4 was the arbitrary treat number
 
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