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Reactive Hypoglycaemia

@kaz

I went out for a car very yesterday and had pork and Turkey with leeks in a mustard and cream sauce peas cauliflower cheese red cabbage in a red wine and vinegar sauce and a gravy made from meat juices red wine back and pickled onions. It was delicious I enjoyed every bit I didn't touch the potatoes parsnips or carrots and my bs was 6.3 after an hour. I've just had lunch plaice spinach and a tomato pan fried in butter. It took eight mins tasted great and I feel fine. Noshed and Brun are the gurus and I have tried to follow their advice absolutely. I came home to find loads of left over sweets from
Halloween last night ( we had been away and my daughter had got them
For the trick and treaters) I put them away in a sealed tin and told her to
Take them to school to share with friends. That way I don't eat them and she won't have too many either. My little boy who is 3 drank water all weekend and is eating very similar food to me. Sugar has been made the number one enemy in this house. Persevere and you will feel like a new woman! I can't say my weight is dropping off yet but I have a thyroid imbalance and am correcting that so hopefully I will get there in the end!!! EmmA
 
Kaz261 said:
Not cold turkey as such as I did have one slice of bread and two small roast potatoes yesterday. I have reduced my intake from around 200g of carbs a day to less than 100. Should I be reducing it gradually do you think?
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I think this may be the root of your problem.

If I was eating 100 g carbs a day I would see no benefits from low carbing at all, and I would still be hypoing regularly.

We each have a personal carb limit above which things go screwy. Doesn't look as if you have gone below yours yet - especially with what you ate yesterday.

For me, my body flourishes at below 30g, and starts to slump into misery at 50g+

As I think I have mentioned before, you just have to do it before you feel the benefits. And once you do, you don't ever want to go back.
 
Hi,
Had my usual breakfast at 0800 and went for a six mile walk in the Cumbrian countryside but I took half an apple with me in case my BG dropped. I was fine and the half apple went in the fridge later and I had a low carb lunch at 1215.
I may not have the same problem as some of you but I hypoed twice a day when I had carbs and walked around or gardened.
It is great to feel one has a fix for RH.
regards
Derek
 
Hi Lina,
I guess you realize your little boy will need more carbs by ratio to proteins and fats than an adult diabetic/R.H.
regards
Derek
Linagirl said:
@kaz

I went out for a car very yesterday and had pork and Turkey with leeks in a mustard and cream sauce peas cauliflower cheese red cabbage in a red wine and vinegar sauce and a gravy made from meat juices red wine back and pickled onions. It was delicious I enjoyed every bit I didn't touch the potatoes parsnips or carrots and my bs was 6.3 after an hour. I've just had lunch plaice spinach and a tomato pan fried in butter. It took eight mins tasted great and I feel fine. Noshed and Brun are the gurus and I have tried to follow their advice absolutely. I came home to find loads of left over sweets from
Halloween last night ( we had been away and my daughter had got them
For the trick and treaters) I put them away in a sealed tin and told her to
Take them to school to share with friends. That way I don't eat them and she won't have too many either. My little boy who is 3 drank water all weekend and is eating very similar food to me. Sugar has been made the number one enemy in this house. Persevere and you will feel like a new woman! I can't say my weight is dropping off yet but I have a thyroid imbalance and am correcting that so hopefully I will get there in the end!!! EmmA
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Hi Nosher,
Thanks, I would have tried but I am on Warfarin and changing diet, particularly vitamin k, alters my INR (clotting time) so I try to get the same food input every day.
regards
Derek

nosher8355 said:
Have you thought about have a fasting day yet?
Just as a trial, to see what happens.
As you are aware, you wake up probably haven't ate for 8 or 9 hours.
Your body has provided you by not going into hypo overnight.
If you wake having a fasting blood level in the normal range, like me, I stay there!
You won't feel hungry and it does you good!
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Hi Kaz,
Try eating a low carb meal of a lidl roll, butter and walnuts. Peanuts have a much higher GI than walnuts.
See if you hypo but take something along with you like apple to stave off an hypo if you had one!
It is better to test on the edge of finger ends rather than the sensitive finger tip.
regards
D.

Kaz261 said:
I've never got to 3 or 4 hours without eating again. As I tend to get symptoms around the 2 hour mark I generally eat every 2-2.5 hours. Perhaps I should ignore the symptoms as an experiment and see what happens. I need a day or two off testing as my fingers are getting sore and it's costing me a fortune in strips!

What seems to work best for you? Little and often like Nosher or three larger meals with snacks in between? Just curious as it appears we are all so different.
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I'm just lazy not looking at your meds on your personal page, sorry!

I understand now, but I liked the walk you did, I did similar mileage today, at work and my hamstrings are going tighter as I post!

Looks like you have nailed it so far, you are doing really well and ive gathered by your post you are feeling the extra energy without the carbs!

Keep it going mate!

Nosher
 
Linagirl said:
@kaz

I went out for a car very yesterday and had pork and Turkey with leeks in a mustard and cream sauce peas cauliflower cheese red cabbage in a red wine and vinegar sauce and a gravy made from meat juices red wine back and pickled onions. It was delicious I enjoyed every bit I didn't touch the potatoes parsnips or carrots and my bs was 6.3 after an hour. I've just had lunch plaice spinach and a tomato pan fried in butter. It took eight mins tasted great and I feel fine. Noshed and Brun are the gurus and I have tried to follow their advice absolutely. I came home to find loads of left over sweets from
Halloween last night ( we had been away and my daughter had got them
For the trick and treaters) I put them away in a sealed tin and told her to
Take them to school to share with friends. That way I don't eat them and she won't have too many either. My little boy who is 3 drank water all weekend and is eating very similar food to me. Sugar has been made the number one enemy in this house. Persevere and you will feel like a new woman! I can't say my weight is dropping off yet but I have a thyroid imbalance and am correcting that so hopefully I will get there in the end!!! EmmA
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You're getting it!
Well done Emma!
Have patience, things will happen!
 
Kaz261 said:
Not cold turkey as such as I did have one slice of bread and two small roast potatoes yesterday. I have reduced my intake from around 200g of carbs a day to less than 100. Should I be reducing it gradually do you think?
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I believe you need to do it slowly but that's way too much!
I think the problem is that you are struggling with having not many carbs. Your body is telling you to eat more, you have to be stronger and take the plunge and go below 50g.
If you are shaky, you are symptomatic and if the really low carb doesn't sort it, I believe you are having some issues about how this will work and how it will affect you and yours.
If you don't try, you won't know, quite a few have got control of this condition because of low carbing, only those who have problems with not having carbs defy the logic.
We are weird! We can't eat normal things like carbs and sugars. They are like poison!
If you feel awful it's the carbs, if you feel nervous about eating differently, it's ok, but you do need to think of your family and your future health.
I was in hypo hell for years, I don't want to go back to that, I have to do this, because I want to be around to help the wife and I want to see my great grandkids.
Only very, very low carbing will let me do this.
If you are anxious or wary of what you must do, we can help, but ignoring the fact that you still want to eat things that make you feel awful, is having an effect on you!
Have a word with your GP or your specialist, I think I remember you saying you had one.
Hope I'm not being over pushy or trying to bully you as that is the furthest thing on my mind.
I've been there, I know what you are going through, I want to help, but you need to help yourself!
 
nosher8355 said:
I believe you need to do it slowly but that's way too much!
I think the problem is that you are struggling with having not many carbs. Your body is telling you to eat more, you have to be stronger and take the plunge and go below 50g.
If you are shaky, you are symptomatic and if the really low carb doesn't sort it, I believe you are having some issues about how this will work and how it will affect you and yours.
If you don't try, you won't know, quite a few have got control of this condition because of low carbing, only those who have problems with not having carbs defy the logic.
We are weird! We can't eat normal things like carbs and sugars. They are like poison!
If you feel awful it's the carbs, if you feel nervous about eating differently, it's ok, but you do need to think of your family and your future health.
I was in hypo hell for years, I don't want to go back to that, I have to do this, because I want to be around to help the wife and I want to see my great grandkids.
Only very, very low carbing will let me do this.
If you are anxious or wary of what you must do, we can help, but ignoring the fact that you still want to eat things that make you feel awful, is having an effect on you!
Have a word with your GP or your specialist, I think I remember you saying you had one.
Hope I'm not being over pushy or trying to bully you as that is the furthest thing on my mind.
I've been there, I know what you are going through, I want to help, but you need to help yourself!
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Be as pushy as you like Nosher, it's what I need! You are right, I am anxious about eating so few carbs and so much fat. It just seems to go against everything we have been taught as healthy. I'm still coming to terms with everything! I can't believe that 7 months ago I was seemingly healthy and my life is now like this! You are however right. I have to make the change for my health and one of my biggest fears is not being around for my family.

I have had a slightly better day today. Didn't get off to a great start but I haven't eaten as many carbs. For dinner I am cooking fish in homemade tomato and thyme sauce with broccoli, peas and a small portion of carrots. NO potatoes for me!

Tomorrow is cauliflower fried rice with minced beef and veg/spices, Wed is a roast chicken dinner with Parmesan cabbage n other veg. Sounding ok so far?

Lunch is smoked mackerel salad or meat.

Thurs is proving tricky. Going to Mums for bonfire night and she's doing the usual fare of jacket pototoes, hot dogs, mushy peas etc and I'm struggling to think of an alternative for me that doesn't have her cooking something special. Any ideas anyone? I have a portion of left over chilli con carne in the freezer but what to have with it?

I am going to do this for a few weeks to see if I can see an improvement. Afterall I've got nothing to lose and I am worth the effort! If it doesn't make any difference or makes things worse (which I doubt) then I can reintroduce carbs.

If anyone has any meal ideas, that can suit the rest of the family and be adapted easily for me, I would appreciate it. I know it must seem obvious to you guys now but hopefully with experience it'll become easier for me too.

Keep those ideas coming!

i really can't thank you ALL enough for your help and support through this.

By the way I'm going to ask my consultant if I can have a continuous glucose monitor for 24 hours to see if my bg is doing silly things in the early hours of the morning. Good idea? I'm also seeing my go tomorrow so will talk about my diagnoses with him to see what support they can offer. I have a sneaking suspicion that because I had to go private I may be missing out on some tests because Bupa wont pay. You can't beat the good old NHS sometimes even if it is slow!
Take care all
 
Kaz261 said:
Be as pushy as you like Nosher, it's what I need! You are right, I am anxious about eating so few carbs and so much fat. It just seems to go against everything we have been taught as healthy. I'm still coming to terms with everything! I can't believe that 7 months ago I was seemingly healthy and my life is now like this! You are however right. I have to make the change for my health and one of my biggest fears is not being around
Lunch is smoked mackerel salad or meat.

Thurs is proving tricky. Going to Mums for bonfire night and she's doing the usual fare of jacket pototoes, hot dogs, mushy peas etc and I'm struggling to think of an alternative for me that doesn't have her cooking something special. Any ideas anyone? I have a portion of left over chilli con carne in the freezer but what to have with it?

I am going to do this for a few weeks to see if I can see an improvement. Afterall I've got nothing to lose and I am worth the effort! If it doesn't make any difference or makes things worse (which I doubt) then I can reintroduce carbs.

By the way I'm going to ask my consultant if I can have a continuous glucose monitor for 24 hours to see if my bg is doing silly things in the early hours of the morning. Good idea? I'm also seeing my go tomorrow so will talk about my diagnoses with him to see what support they can offer. I have a sneaking suspicion that because I had to go private I may be missing out on some tests because Bupa wont pay. You can't beat the good old NHS sometimes even if it is slow!
Take care all
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Up until this Thursday, it sounds ok ish and it will reduce your carbs, it also depends on how much you eat of them.
I don't know what is in chilli con carne, but it's not something I would have! I'm not sure.
You can buy low carb sausage for Thursday and everyone can have them in buns except you, you can eat them without the bun. Have a read of the low carb forum. Some really good ideas in there.
If you have RH, then once your feeling better, why would you want to introduce carbs again?
You still reticent about eating different, when you have to!!
You can tell by your post that your not keen and anxious.
You need to talk to a family member, who will understand what you have to do. Or you will, I assure you, feel **** all the time!
I know it's early days, but you need to talk or think about your health to someone who is close and get them to help you.
I've no idea how your health care providers will respond but try.
The only tests you need after diagnosis is to eliminate other conditions.
There is no other tests to diagnose RH.
This is it!
You will only have more glucose tests to see how you are doing and to see how your doing, if anything changes or to see if you are developing diabetes.
Ask your doctor for help. I doubt that he would know how to treat it, and I would have thought that he would follow the usual eat complex carbs. Which is totally wrong and its the last thing you need.
If you haven't read my blog about my story 's reactionary, I have over fifteen years, that I know, of having this condition and unless your pancreas gives up, you have this for life and the only treatment is dietary!
 
Linagirl said:
@kaz

I went out for a car very yesterday and had pork and Turkey with leeks in a mustard and cream sauce peas cauliflower cheese red cabbage in a red wine and vinegar sauce and a gravy made from meat juices red wine back and pickled onions. It was delicious I enjoyed every bit I didn't touch the potatoes parsnips or carrots and my bs was 6.3 after an hour. I've just had lunch plaice spinach and a tomato pan fried in butter. It took eight mins tasted great and I feel fine. Noshed and Brun are the gurus and I have tried to follow their advice absolutely. I came home to find loads of left over sweets from
Halloween last night ( we had been away and my daughter had got them
For the trick and treaters) I put them away in a sealed tin and told her to
Take them to school to share with friends. That way I don't eat them and she won't have too many either. My little boy who is 3 drank water all weekend and is eating very similar food to me. Sugar has been made the number one enemy in this house. Persevere and you will feel like a new woman! I can't say my weight is dropping off yet but I have a thyroid imbalance and am correcting that so hopefully I will get there in the end!!! EmmA
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Sounds like you've got it well and truly under control Emma. If you have any more lunch or dinner tips please let me know. They're all gratefully received.

I'm paranoid about letting the kids have sweets and chocolate now. I guess we need to find the balance between letting them be kids and enjoy the ocassional sweet treat and doing what we know is right for their health and future.

I've just had cod in tomato and thyme sauce (really easy to make) with veg. Didn't miss the mini roast potatoes as much as I thought - they did look good though!

How do you find cooking for the family while making the food suitable for you also? This is giving me brain ache at the minute! I went to four different supermarkets last week and it cost a fortune! Any meal ideas that you have found to be successful would be appreciated.

I would love to feel like a new woman, I don't like the current one! It's great that you are feeling the benefits of a low carb diet. I hope I will soon too.
Take care
Kaz
 
Hi Kaz it is expensive I can't deny that but we have stopped takeaways completely so that saves 25.00 a week if not more and I know I am putting cancer busting heart strengthening meals into my family as we are all eating much more veg. I do cook carbs for them but ensure they are complex carbs so they eat sweet potato and wholemeal pasta and rice etc.

Tonight I made a chicken and aubergine curry which was delicious with coconut milk and spices. I did rice for them poached in coconut milk with cardamom and saffron and the same for me with cauli rice instead. It was delicious and they all loved it. I am
Doing a chilli tomorrow from
Scratch as it doesn't take any longer than a jar as long as you have ingredients and I will serve it with brown rice for them and salad leaves for me.

Today I have had a bacon omelette and then mid morning a matchstick of cheddar. Lunch was plaice with spinach and tomato all pan fried together and then this afternoon I found a high protein loaf at waitrose which is 11g carb per slice and I had that with chicken liver pate. Curry and cauli rice for tea and mid evening I will have a coconut milk yoghurt with berries.

Hope it helps.
 
Thanks Derek yes George eats his carbs as do the rest of the bunch but I try to make sure they are health ones and they are all
Learning xxx
 
Puzzled tonight as I made a curry which was coconut oil chicken breast aubergine tinned toms spices and spinach and coconut milk which I served with cauli Rice and creme fraiche. Bs was 7.8 after I hour and 5.6 after two. I added cardamom pods curry powder and chilli powder. Just wondered why my blood spiked after an hour? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 
Linagirl said:
Puzzled tonight as I made a curry which was coconut oil chicken breast aubergine tinned toms spices and spinach and coconut milk which I served with cauli Rice and creme fraiche. Bs was 7.8 after I hour and 5.6 after two. I added cardamom pods curry powder and chilli powder. Just wondered why my blood spiked after an hour? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Yes another one of those mysteries, that affects any body that uses a glucose meter to see what happens and then you get an odd reading.
It could be a rogue reading, which when I get one, I change all the Lancet and pick another finger after washing my hands and completely drying them and see if I get a reading that is more understandable.
It could be, that you have just spiked more slowly because of the lack of carbs. But and its a big but, that reading if a true one wouldn't worry me at all.
If I were you I would be really happy with that for this reason.
The idea of low carbing is not to come out of the normal range zone. You have not spiked as such, so you should not hypo.!
Which is good ain't it?
If a true reading you should feel a little better and if you continue, your insulin should dramatically reduce and the symptoms should lessen.

Keep it up!
You're getting it!
Well done! (If a true reading!)
 
Linagirl said:
Puzzled tonight as I made a curry which was coconut oil chicken breast aubergine tinned toms spices and spinach and coconut milk which I served with cauli Rice and creme fraiche. Bs was 7.8 after I hour and 5.6 after two. I added cardamom pods curry powder and chilli powder. Just wondered why my blood spiked after an hour? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Can you give us your fasting blood glucose level just before you eat breakfast, not on immediate waking but say, just fifteen minutes after before you have your first bite.

This is because you can track, your fasting blood, and see if you have dawn phenomenon.
Then pick a time when you know you haven't had carbs for a meal and wait for two and a half hours and take a fasting blood.

Let us know the results.

Did you take a fasting blood before any meal today?
 
Hi @emineedwards
Glad you've had a talk with your doctor and she agrees with you.
What are the next steps you are taking to keep feeling better and if there is any questions that I or another RH ers, could answer.
Welcome to our unique club.
Join in the thread.
 
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