LCHF diet to help you lose weight, not diabetes

[douglas99]

I've recently asked for advice on my particular circumstances, the problem may be I don't fit into the box, as no one it seems can help.
But I would always say, if you have a diet, that suits you, go for it, and keep the numbers where you want them.

 

[izzzi]

Now I know why our NHS are concerned with regards to LCHF, and the many reasons for lack of support.
That what's good about this Forum,you get the knowledge straight from the people that use the diet, and that has got to be good for future reference.

 

[Avocado Sevenfold]

That what's good about this Forum,you get the knowledge straight from the people that use the diet, and that has got to be good for future reference.

Indeed! I am so grateful to have been educated by Andy12345 on here before I met my NHS dietician. I was already on the right track to good control before I met this so-called nutrition professional who didn't even know the definition of vegetarianism

 

[jack412]

I should not have involved myself in your discussion, I was suggesting it may not frighten someone new, I wasn't afraid of the concept is what I meant, never meant to suggest the opposite.

yes, please involve yourself. I saw your post as a breath of fresh air, TBH people with a couple of thousand posts are pretty stuck in their ways.

there is no Low carb, Low fat sustainable diet..

I really don't know what people are eating if they are on low carb and normal protein and disagree with topping up to their ~2000 calories a day with fat.
while people are losing weight, they can cut the carbs and their carb to fat ratio isn't that important in the short term. but frankly it isn't sustainable in the long term and anyone who suggests otherwise is misleading.

at the end of the day, people will have a diet they are happy with. enough calories/ratio to maintain a stable weight and take meds to balance their BG to suit

 

[Scandichic]

There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism. @Scandichic you of all members should know that.
Some good has come from your comment yet as you say "I haven't read the rest of the posts yet"" Everyone deals with things differently""if people bother to read it rather than criticise" sorry thought I was back at school again.
There is no need for me to try the LCHF diet yet, as I am on a different diet that I found through this forum with good results.
I know how serious the LCHF is to many members. Please understand that I cannot get to grips with the word "high fat" ( to me it is like telling a smoker to smoke more cigarettes to get healthy, or drink more alcohol to sober up ) hence getting the correct message out to newbies that will not confuse them.Simple as that

I agree. There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism. However, that would imply that you have some knowledge of LCHF but it is evident from your posts that this is not the case. In order to obtain a balanced view and offer constructive criticism you need to read both sides of the argument.
I have no issue with the route a fellow diabetic takes to get control over their bs. In many of my posts to newbies I have often mentioned low GI as a solution, clearly stating that whilst I prefer LCHF other members have had success with this way. I have then gone on to tag someone (quite often @douglas99 ) and said that they might be able to help. What I object to, is the fact that you complain specifically about people who follow LCHF replying to newbies (LCHF bashing yet again) and that they bombard the newbie with information rather than giving them a chance to come to terms with their diagnosis. My understanding is that the forum is a place for information as well as emotional support so it is clearly acceptable to give both. As another member has already pointed out to you, how we get there is not important, it's that we do get there. I find your comparison between smoking cigarettes and eating fat to be misguided at best.
You go on to talk about getting the correct message out to newbies. I do not think it is misguided to post a link to dietdoctor, where the advice provided is given by a doctor who specialises in diabetes and obesity. I would like to credit the person reading the posts or posting with enough intelligence to make their own decision about the way forward.
Finally, you have implied that I have treated you as if you were a student. I would challenge anyone who presents such an unbalanced and uninformed argument. I believe that's called constructive criticism.

 

[Scandichic]

I do agree with you that sometimes newbies are swamped with advice about diet as soon as they put their first message on here when really they need a friendly welcome and some time just to absorb the fact that they are now diabetic Their head is already spinning with what they have been told and they are totally overwhelmed. They really need some time to digest what they have be told.not told straight away the have to stop eating certain things as that is only more confusing for them. Let them settle in here they can then read the information that Daisy gives and then they can begin to think about what they want to do diet wise

I don't think people are necessarily swamped. When I came on here I had just been diagnosed and wanted to act immediately. I certainly didn't want to spend a week deciding. Is it possible that those who don't want to action things immediately but want time to absorb stuff just read posts initially?

 

[Scandichic]

A very good post.
I think it's worth re-visiting the LF concept though, as very few products have extra sugar in then, and haven't for a few years.

You're at least the second poster that has suggested people who don't HF are frightened or scared of eating fat though.
Personally, I would be of the opinion that they would have read about as many studies/reports/meta-analysis as others have, and come to there own conclusion, based on a very rational though process, as we're all fairly similar on here,
I would suggest that they are not simply acting on an irrational fear.

As I said, I press the excess fat out, mainly as I don't like it, don't like the acid reflux that normally comes with it, and don't need the empty/extra calories. I don't believe I'm scared of it though.

How strange! I've had the reverse experience! I've found that since I've dropped the starchy carbs I no longer get the acid reflux I used to have on a daily basis. For me lchf is the diet I need to follow to stay well but am glad that there are other diets out there that work for others! If I remember correctly, you haven't got any more weight to lose, have you? How much did you lose out of interest?

 

[Scandichic]

I do agree that for most people the LCHF diet is good at keeping their BG levels down but it is also a weight loss diet so for those people who do not need to loose weight they will still do so on the diet that is a fact and this is not so good as being underweight can cause it's own complications.
When I started to watch my eating having been told I was prediabetic I cut right down on the starchy foods and stopped eating bread potatoes and other root veg and kept mostly to leafy stuff..I.never did eat much rice or pasta.. and of course I cut out altogether all the sugar stuff.and started to eat full fat yogurt cream and butter but that did not stop me from loosing weight and after about 4 weeks I had lost over a stone I had never been overweight in my life so this was a lot for me to loose I looked so skinny.. my GP was not very pleased.. I had to start eating some starchy carbs again just to keep my weight from dropping even more. I still struggle to keep it up so I eat a lot of nuts cheese and good oils but would dearly like to put on a few pounds again.
We just can't generalise that the LCHF is what every diabetic should be doing when we know nothing about their individual circumstances like other medical conditions that higher fat may not be good for or any other problems they may have yet without knowing any of this about them newbies are still told almost straight away they must stop eating certain foods altogether and eat more fats to get their BG levels down when this could be dangerous for some people Certainly tell them about LCHF but do stress it is not suitable for everyone and if they have other medical issues they should check with their consultant or doctor before embarking on it

I wonder if you needed more fat? I only ask because my hubbie eats lchf too. He is the perfect weight but fluctuates between 10st 13 and 11 stone 3. If he eats less fat, he drops in weight. The kid like it too. They have asked not to have bread in their lunch boxes. We suspect the youngest is gluten intolerant as she ends up with an upset tummy if she eats bread and cake for more than 2 days in a row. The doc said the only thing we could do was to give her starchy carbs for a month and then test but I can't bring myself to do it as she gets nasty stomach cramps and a loose tummy.

 

[alliebee]

I didn't lose weight initially on lchf until advised to up my fats. Then it just started falling off. Lost over a stone in just six weeks. Lchf was the best advice ever for me....

 

[jack412]

How strange! I've had the reverse experience! I've found that since I've dropped the starchy carbs I no longer get the acid reflux I used to have on a daily basis. For me lchf is the diet I need to follow to stay well but am glad that there are other diets out there that work for others! If I remember correctly, you haven't got any more weight to lose, have you? How much did you lose out of interest?

there was someone here not that long ago who had reflux and was going to have 'significant' treatment, but the LCHF cleared it up very quickly????
adel is one that also comes to mind with a type lchf reflux resolution, there are numerous IBS, as well. it seems high carb gives the reflux more for what ever reason

 

[jack412]

I didn't lose weight initially on lchf until advised to up my fats. Then it just started falling off. Lost over a stone in just six weeks. Lchf was the best advice ever for me....

as you found out and IMO, you have to get your body out of thinking it's in starvation mode and shuts down, we want the body working in winter mode, to metabolise and burn the fat
this is also why the 5+2 diets work, one days low intake doesn't trigger the response.

 

[Brunneria]

there was someone here not that long ago who had reflux and was going to have 'significant' treatment, but the LCHF cleared it up very quickly????
adel is one that also comes to mind with a type lchf reflux resolution, there are numerous IBS, as well. it seems high carb gives the reflux more for what ever reason

It is wheat that causes my acid reflux. And as I have got older, it takes less and less of it.

I also stopped eating barley, for the same reason. That was a crushing blow.

 

[alliebee]

It was you Jack that advised me. My intake was too low. So thankyou. I felt different straight away..ketosis snd energy followed.

 

[Westie2]

Scandichic
I am sorry if this response is slightly of topic but your daughter does not need to have excessive starchy carbs before testing. There is guidance on how much she needs to have in order to have a meaningful blood test for diagnosis. Search on the coeliac society website where you will find lots of information on diagnosis and lots of advice if you prefer to keep her away from wheat based goods.

Good Luck and I hope your daughter keeps well.

 

[izzzi]

I agree. There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism. However, that would imply that you have some knowledge of LCHF but it is evident from your posts that this is not the case. In order to obtain a balanced view and offer constructive criticism you need to read both sides of the argument.
I have no issue with the route a fellow diabetic takes to get control over their bs. In many of my posts to newbies I have often mentioned low GI as a solution, clearly stating that whilst I prefer LCHF other members have had success with this way. I have then gone on to tag someone (quite often @douglas99 ) and said that they might be able to help. What I object to, is the fact that you complain specifically about people who follow LCHF replying to newbies (LCHF bashing yet again) and that they bombard the newbie with information rather than giving them a chance to come to terms with their diagnosis. My understanding is that the forum is a place for information as well as emotional support so it is clearly acceptable to give both. As another member has already pointed out to you, how we get there is not important, it's that we do get there. I find your comparison between smoking cigarettes and eating fat to be misguided at best.
You go on to talk about getting the correct message out to newbies. I do not think it is misguided to post a link to dietdoctor, where the advice provided is given by a doctor who specialises in diabetes and obesity. I would like to credit the person reading the posts or posting with enough intelligence to make their own decision about the way forward.
Finally, you have implied that I have treated you as if you were a student. I would challenge anyone who presents such an unbalanced and uninformed argument. I believe that's called constructive criticism.

What is wrong with being a Student learning from your good self,I am not in this forum for a challenge or argument.
Thanks you have given food for thought.

 

[douglas99]

How strange! I've had the reverse experience! I've found that since I've dropped the starchy carbs I no longer get the acid reflux I used to have on a daily basis. For me lchf is the diet I need to follow to stay well but am glad that there are other diets out there that work for others! If I remember correctly, you haven't got any more weight to lose, have you? How much did you lose out of interest?

4 1/2 stone, but I intend to give the Newcastle Diet a try next week as well, but probably won't stay on for the 8 weeks.
I plan 4 weeks, or less depending on weight loss.

Can't really see 'starvation mode',or not being in 'winter mode' as any issue, as it didn't cause me any problem when I was portion controlled/calorie restricted before.
I have to say though, losing 4 1/2 stone, of unwanted insulation, it does seem colder at first.
I don't think I'd be wanting it back purely for that reason though..

 

[jack412]

It was you Jack that advised me. My intake was too low. So thankyou. I felt different straight away..ketosis snd energy followed.

some people may not like the name, but LCHF has the runs on the board

 

[douglas99]

some people may not like the name, but LCHF has the runs on the board

That's usually down to the Metformin, but it does improve after the first week.

 

[alliebee]

I disagree. Sorry. Metformin only helped a very tiny percentage. Id been on that over a year.
What really worked was dropping my bs by following the lchf way of eating. I was reading high teen numbers before coming back to the forum 6 weeks ago and encouraged to try this...I'm amazed at the results. So is my Gp. I have multiple sclerosis as well so very hard to move about. I have nothing but praise for lchf and I'm a so called newbie...I'm so grateful to the people on here who urged me to try it.....because it worked for them

 

[jack412]

Now I know why our NHS are concerned with regards to LCHF, and the many reasons for lack of support.
That what's good about this Forum,you get the knowledge straight from the people that use the diet, and that has got to be good for future reference.

Uk may be slower than USA to get its head around high fat, I know Australia is still 20 years behind

American diabetic association ( http://www.professional.diabetes.org/)
http://www.professional.diabetes.or...=DP&s_src=vanity&s_subsrc=nutritionguidelines

Evidence is inconclusive for an ideal amount of total fat intake for people with diabetes;
therefore, goals should be individualized; fat quality appears to be far more important
than quantity.

In people with type 2 diabetes, a Mediterranean-style, MUFA-rich eating pattern may benefit
glycemic control and CVD risk factors and can therefore be recommended as an effective
alternative to a lower-fat, higher-carbohydrate eating pattern.