Paul1976 said:Jo,My garden backs onto farmland but that doesn't qualify me as Old MacDonalds accountant!
Paul1976 said:I'm perplexed with that one too Stephen! :crazy:borofergie said:jopar said:Business is pretty simple for the right person of cause!
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jopar said:CarbRok
I'm actually laughing here...
I think that some of my mates would be very interested that you don't consider them to be farmers living in a farming community they will be somewhat bemused! I now have to wonder what my Uncle Tom did for a living, as according to you he wasn't a farmer and he didn't live in a farming community... And it's a figment of my imagination the various tractors and cattle lorries that go past the top of my road!
Oh by the way, do you know how many working farm yards/farm houses I've got near me! First farm field is around 700-800yards or so away from my front door, and I can walk to my nearest working farm yard/farm house within 5 minutes! There's another 4 working farm housing within a mile of where I live..
That's one hell of a lot of inner city farms :lol: :lol: :lol:
And I assume companies Like Mole Valley farmers (that again I can reach on foot within about 10-15 minutes) are selling animal feed and farm equipment to feed feral kids in the inner city, and for inner city home owners to cultivate their gardens!
As to business..
Business is pretty simple for the right person of cause!
And you can come up with anything you like, a farm is no different than running any other business, the objective is the same.. To make money!
Vet bills, Weather is no difference than what my friend faces with his chip shop, in his case it's calling in an engineer to fix one of his fat fryers... Or perhaps losing all the power due to a power cut!
Oh yes, the recession has had a impact on his business cutting his profits back...
I've spent a life time, listening to farmers whinning about hard times etc...
Yet there is still plenty of working farms surrounding me... The crops are still growing, cattle and sheep still grazing..
shop said:Paul1976 said:Even my staple food,the humble cauliflower,has badly suffered because of this shockingly wet summer,my local farm shop has a major shortage this year due to crops being ruined.
Awful Paul, not surprised one bit!
Lucy.
Paul1976 said:Jo,My garden backs onto farmland but that doesn't qualify me as Old MacDonalds accountant!
shop said:Paul1976 said:Jo,My garden backs onto farmland but that doesn't qualify me as Old MacDonalds accountant!
+1 Paul xxx
I was brought up surrounded by fields and farms. Being married to a farmer now I see and experience things that I certainly didnt simply by living in the countryside. Its like anything you cannot truely know until you have lived it!!!
And what Chip shop owner milks, cleans out the parlour, goes on to harvest, milk again, see to heiffers and calves some who dont feed properly , cow has mastitis (twice daily), sees to passports, takes calves to market, mucks out, up in the night for another calving. Worming ( store cattle. ) When the cattle are out, firstly checking all fencing to ensure it is secure, mending fencing that poachers have made a big hole in, replacing electric shepherd that has been stolen, bringing cattle back in for pre movement testing and if TB found a 6 month hold on movement, Grassland management ....muck spreading, harrowing, rolling. In winter keeping water from freezing so that cattle have access to water ( pretty **** neccessary!!) Ministry coming to test for TB ( Animal has come from a herd who 1 has been tested for TB) Buying corn, making silage and the paperwork. And store cattle are not like dairy who are used to being handled, they can be wild. Really easy to deal with NOT!!
Also animals dont stand still as good as gold like a deep fat fryer whilst being mended!!!!
Obviously you know nothing about yields or condition scoring or weights for market and the extra time taken when the weather is bad thus longer gaps between sales of stock. Or even market prices. A 6mth old lamb is selling at market for £80 out of that the farmer has to pay inocculation cost plus wormers and any vet bills he also has to pay transport fees to the market do all the paper work involved. Then the kick comes the ruddy supermarket sells a leg of lamb for £18/20 . Where is the justice in that?jopar said:CarbRok
I'm actually laughing here...
I think that some of my mates would be very interested that you don't consider them to be farmers living in a farming community they will be somewhat bemused! I now have to wonder what my Uncle Tom did for a living, as according to you he wasn't a farmer and he didn't live in a farming community... And it's a figment of my imagination the various tractors and cattle lorries that go past the top of my road!
Would that be Uncle Tom cobbly an all? I didn't mention any of your relatives. Tractors etc do go on the road they go from A to B cattle lorries travel all over the country they even go on the ferry, but that doesnt qualify you to be an expert in farming.
Oh by the way, do you know how many working farm yards/farm houses I've got near me! First farm field is around 700-800yards or so away from my front door, and I can walk to my nearest working farm yard/farm house within 5 minutes! There's another 4 working farm housing within a mile of where I live..
I know exactly how many Jo as I used to live down your wayBut again having a farm anywhere nr you in the middle of town doesn't qualify you to manage a farm or critis farmers.
That's one hell of a lot of inner city farms :lol: :lol: :lol:
And I assume companies Like Mole Valley farmers (that again I can reach on foot within about 10-15 minutes) are selling animal feed and farm equipment to feed feral kids in the inner city, and for inner city home owners to cultivate their gardens!
Mole valley farmers don't make me laugh Jo they cater for jo public as well as the farmers. They sell some lovely ham and bacon. Clothes as well. You name it they sell it.Some lovely doggy toys as well.
As to business..
Business is pretty simple for the right person of cause!
So why haven't you set up and run a business if it's that simple?
And you can come up with anything you like, a farm is no different than running any other business, the objective is the same.. To make money!
Quite right. Except farming involves livestock and deadstock at times plus the weather.
Vet bills, Weather is no difference than what my friend faces with his chip shop, in his case it's calling in an engineer to fix one of his fat fryers... Or perhaps losing all the power due to a power cut!
Please miss what world do you live in. If a cow or bullock dies it's money down the drain no engineer can fix that
Oh yes, the recession has had a impact on his business cutting his profits back...
perhaps he a lousy cook or over priced
I've spent a life time, listening to farmers whinning about hard times etc...
Yet there is still plenty of working farms surrounding me... The crops are still growing, cattle and sheep still grazing..
jopar said:Farming is just like another other business, and with any business a loss isn't always a loss! Most business will mark up a loss or profit, based on whether there business achieved the projected profit for that year!
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Paul1976 said:I wonder if a 'Like' option,as Facebook has would be a good alternative? I've heard other members mention this also in the past.I too struggle to express myself and when another poster does it so well I like to acknowledge a good point well made and a 'Like' option would be better than threads being made much longer than they need be by having to type "+1"....Just a thought.
Thanks Lucy! It would be nice if it was considered as an option depending on what the community thinks about it.shop said:Paul1976 said:I wonder if a 'Like' option,as Facebook has would be a good alternative? I've heard other members mention this also in the past.I too struggle to express myself and when another poster does it so well I like to acknowledge a good point well made and a 'Like' option would be better than threads being made much longer than they need be by having to type "+1"....Just a thought.
I "LIKE" that idea Paul
Paul1976 said:Thanks Lucy! It would be nice if it was considered as an option depending on what the community thinks about it.shop said:Paul1976 said:I wonder if a 'Like' option,as Facebook has would be a good alternative? I've heard other members mention this also in the past.I too struggle to express myself and when another poster does it so well I like to acknowledge a good point well made and a 'Like' option would be better than threads being made much longer than they need be by having to type "+1"....Just a thought.
I "LIKE" that idea Paul
Defren said:I like this idea as well. If we like a post and agree with it yet can't put +1 which I do, then without a post full of waffle basically saying "+1" I agree then a "like" button seems the best way. For the life of me I can't see why a +1 would be offensive but - whatever!!
borofergie said:Defren said:I like this idea as well. If we like a post and agree with it yet can't put +1 which I do, then without a post full of waffle basically saying "+1" I agree then a "like" button seems the best way. For the life of me I can't see why a +1 would be offensive but - whatever!!
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shop said:Administrator said:Hi everyone, just a word on the "I agree", "+1" type posts.
Bear in mind that these can come across in a "see, you're wrong Mr/Ms X" (especially when they come in numbers).
We're seeing ever more of these posts and I've got a bit tired of seeing them as a casual observer.
Any questions, please PM me.
Many thanks
Benedict
I can see yor point Benedict, however I have +1nd when a fellow poster has been more succesful at putting thier point accross than I would. I am not the most succsinct (spelling?) and am not very good at putting my point accross.
I do object to the constant derogatory comments about Farmers during this thread. I am a Farmers wife and have found them quite offensive.
None of us agree with derogatory comments about any group whether it be religion, culture, race, or whatever. Yes we all have opinions and as part of a community choose when to voice them based on whome it may offend, and as such we filter what we actually post. So to obect to a poster agreeing with the way in which someone has put forward a valid argument to stand up for something they know more than most about ( Carbsrock has a much more experience than I do in farming and is therefore able to give accurate figures etc to substantiate her point .) I feel is a little unfair.
Lucy xxx
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