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5:2 - Type 2 On Metformin Or Diet Only

Discussion in 'Fasting' started by ExChocoholic, Aug 27, 2016.

  1. ExChocoholic

    ExChocoholic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Has anyone with type diabetes tried Dr Michael Mosley's 5:2 diet - I am looking to start it but wondered if supplementary food drinks can be used on the diet days. Or any other relevant info please
     
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    AndBreathe I reversed my Type 2 · Expert
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    I haven't done it myself, but several posters have. I don't believe you need to take any supplements, provided your diet is fairly OK, although I haven't read the book either.

    If you're intending to do the diet in order to trim up a bit, it would seem potentially counter-productive to add extra food in, routinely.

    Obviously, I could be quite wrong.
     
  3. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    You could always try eating nothing on the non eating days. but then again I am a fasting believer..
    I think with the Moseley diet in the 2 days you are supposed to stay under 500 calories..I'm sure meal replacements would work fine.
    If you low carb high fat on the other 5 days then you should be great on the diet (in my opinion).
    Why not try it for a couple of weeks and see how you go.
    There is lots of info on fasting in the fasting sub forum.
     
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    DavidGrahamJones Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Definitely try it, but watch the high fat bit, it doesn't suit everybody, my BG increases and I gain weight. I also know that my body does not metabolise fat properly.
     
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    elaineadams Type 2 · Active Member

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    I use the 5:2 diet, and in all honesty on the "starvation" days (500 cals if I remember...that's what I base mine on), I find more than enough extremely low calorie foods in the salad department...you can eat a whole bag of salad leaves for 10 calories, no carbs, a whole cucumber, 10 calories, no carbs, tomatoes, beetroot, peppers (any colour), radishes...if you put a good portion sized mix of that lot in a bowl with some herbs (basil, thyme, mint, oregano, coriander and some black pepper) give it a good mix, and add a couple of boiled eggs, you have a filling meal for about 150 calories, and then for another meal, you could do something like a steamed bit of fish, chicken or even a quorn fillet on a bed of kale, with two serving spoonsfuls of mixed vegetables. A whole bag of chopped kale is only 10 calories, no carbs. Michael Mosley also has a 5:2 diet book with some superb recipes. I don't do my two days together unless my calander is too busy. I usually do 3 days normal, one day "starvation", I find it works better, is more of a routine, and if you have broken the routine because of illness or holiday or family commitments, it is easier to pick up 3 days normal and 1 "starvation". Remember you are looking at the nutritional value as well as the carbs and cals.
     
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  6. ExChocoholic

    ExChocoholic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    SUPERB! many thanks as I really did not have a clue! Wonder what you eat on the 5 days, obviously one cannot go overboard on the 'normal eating' days?
     
  7. ExChocoholic

    ExChocoholic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I am looking to lose around 10 to 12 pounds as my gained weights tummy fat, I quit smoking around 10 months ago and my BS gone to pot, apparently this is a known result of giving up the evil weed! Then my husband had issues with his eyes that resulted on endless hospital visits, eating habits went to pot eating like a non diabetic. Picking myself up and dusting myself down :) hence diet, mainly aimed at lowering BS.
     
  8. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Well the best way of bringing down your BS is Low Carb... but you don't need me to tell you that as you have been here for a while. Intermittent fasting is another string to your bow. I would really recommend not eating for a couple of days a week to give your system a break from insulin production (a la Jason Fung). I have got my best results while not eating. Once you are LCHF adapted you should find you don't even get especially hungry.
     
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    KevinPotts Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    One of the first books and diets I tried and found it helpful:)

    Further reading and discussion in here pushed me to even tighter carb restriction.

    My Dr wanted me on Metformin, but I resisted and so he tried an alternative approach - SUPPORT:).

    I am T2 no meds and now in "remission". Hard work but well worth the effort for me.
     
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    walnut_face Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I had a couple of months on the 5:2 just to give the weight loss a hurry up. I took multi vits on the VLCD days, and now take them everyday.
    What I did learn, the hard way, is that the instruction to take metformin with or after meals means meals! So on the 2 days of low cals I didnt take the meds because 600 cals doesnt count as a meal as far as metformin is concerned
     
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    magsiesss Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I am going in .... or rather, I will be starting this 5:2 malarky tomorow as exercise and change of diet is not enough for me to lose any weight - despite it helping my BS results.

    Thanks for the tip @walnut_face - I shall bear that in mind (ie no Metformin tomorrow morning - just as well its either one or two Mets a day!).
     
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    magsiesss Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Week one done ... I actually lost 1.5 kg (first weight loss since April despite changing eating habits). Not only did I lose weight, but my blood levels have been stable despite less Metformin.

    Continuing this - Week 2 starts today.
     
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  13. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Well done.. that's a good start..
     
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    jonbvn Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I've been on 5:2 IF coupled with LCHF and quite a bit of daily exercise for the last 7 weeks. As of this morning, my weight has dropped nearly 14kg. This may seem a bit extreme, but I have never felt better, I have more energy and sleep far better.

    Over the 7 weeks I have observed the following:

    1. After a fasting day my FBG is on average 10% lower than normal.
    2. I usually fast on Monday and Wednesdays. I find that over the weekend periods my weight is quite steady. After the Wednesday fasts there is usually a significant drop.
    3. Fasting on LCHF is far easier than on a carb heavy diet.
     
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  15. ExChocoholic

    ExChocoholic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for sharing that. I don't have much weight to lose - just as well as I don't seem to be losing it! I think I have to really apply myself with exercise etc. They say walking, gardening and housework is enough - doesn't work for me.
     
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    ExChocoholic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Not getting those BS down! Need to more vigilant on carb in take.
     
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    walnut_face Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    ExChocoholic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Walnut - I guess I want instant success.
     
  19. magsiesss

    magsiesss Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I know the feeling.

    I had been doing the 5:2 for a couple of weeks and felt sure I would have lost weight as I had been very good (for me) ... together with the walking and water aerobics ... was not happy when in week 3 I had actually put on a kilo ....
     
  20. ExChocoholic

    ExChocoholic Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Oh dear Magaiess, not inspiring in the weight department - I guess a couple of weeks is not enough - were you being goodish on non fast days? Essentially - how are your BS levels?
     
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