a PLOT ????

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I wrote the following in another thread and then realised, it needs one of its own
Hana
It's all a medical plot
Don't tell the patients what DOES WORK. then blame them when they can't keep control by your method. When they get sick, call them non-compliant. Those that do follow your advice naturally enough DO deteriorate, so make it a "given" that EVERYONE WILL.
It absolves the medics of responsibility for their patients' complications.
 

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I love conspiracy theories. :lol:

It's to cull the population, Hana!

It's a plot to kill off older diabetics as quickly as possible so they don't have to pay pensions for more than just a few years. The cost of various treatments for the repercussions probably worked out cheaper than 25+ years of pensions.

They probably hadn't thought about damage to the young type 1s. If it ocurred to them later, it was probably regarded as collateral damage.

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Hana,
you are spot on!
A friend of mine was given the standard "Starchy carbs with every meal" advice and he followed it to the letter.
Three months later he was told he obviously wasn't compliant and was put on oral meds. :?
Three months after that he was told he was still deteriorating and was put on insulin. :shock:

He was left totally confused and believing it was all his own fault.
He now eats whatever he likes and compensates with extra insulin.

It may not be a plot but it is complete rubbish.

Regards,
Mike.
 

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Is he putting on weight too and being told to lose it?
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Yes he is putting on weight and being told to lose it.
The cycle of more food and more insulin is well under way so he is exercising more and more each day.
I have told him about the connection between insulin and fat storage but the poor man is so confused I don't think I was any help.

We are going to struggle to educate diabetics until we educate the medics.
I have suggested joining this forum but he doesn't want to talk about his condition.

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Mike.
 

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I have come to conclusion that medics do not want people to test their blood sugars because people will find out for themselves what they are being told is not what they experience. They are told that testing is unnecessary because if they are not on insulin because they cannot do anything about the results that the meter shows up. Well the aim of testing is to inform the person. If the mmol/l reading is not high then the person, as having found out by testing, can make an informed decision of what is best to eat. If it is high then they can can eat food that has no carbs or wait a couple of hours, or go for a walk, when the blood sugar will be lower. Testing a couple of hours later after eating something will inform the person of how much that particular food/s has affected their blood sugar. Testing helps a person with diabetes to keep their blood sugar lower than it would be without testing. If a person is feeling a bit queer it will tell them if their blood glucose is low. Medics will also say that Metformin does not make people go too low. This article explains why a person can go too low when taking Metformin.

http://www.medicinenet.com/metformin-oral/article.html

A person just diagnosed with diabetes type 2 and taking Metformin who had no appetite was told it did not matter if he didn't eat. I think they should read the above information about Metformin. I don't know if he drives a car. I wonder what the position would be if a person crashes into another vehicle because they happen to have a hypo and he/she has been told they do not need to test.?

If a person has an infection how are they susposed to call the doctor, the NHS helpline, if they suspect that their blood sugar is very high and they are suffering the effects of this?
 

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If they really want people with diabetes to die off quickly, they'd encourage us to carry on / take up smoking! Surest way to promote heart disease, leading to heart attacks and strokes. So, I don't believe there is a conspiracy :D
 

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nannybarbara said:
I love conspiracy theories. :lol:


I love em too :lol:


But in this case I believe it is because something like 80% of diabetics are not proactive in their own diabetes management and GP's and DN's etc tend to treat everyone the same way and are genuinely surprised when they come across a forum member who has good control or is trying for it and understands their own condition :D

It is our job, no our destiny to educate the doctors of this great country of ours :p
 

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Yes, Sid, I thoroughly agree. It is forums like this where diabetics can come together to compare notes, swap ideas and get advice. We are learning about our condition all the time. When we've 'got it sussed' then we can take on the task of getting through to DNs and docs and interested parties about how to gain control and make it work - one professional at a time if necessary! I'm quietly working on mine.

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What we need too is for those medics who are diabetic themselves to get into diabetes care.

I do my share of campaiging. I'm off to DUK again in 3 weeks to an "event" on self management. I'm amazed by some of the people I meet on these things. Some are still doing the plenty of carbs bit and wondering why they have such high numbers. I had someone curtsey to me when I revealed mine. the they eat sandwiches and biscuits and wonder when I eat the fillings and ditch the bread. At least some of the DUK staff are beginning to se how well I do and I know they are looking into reduced carbs again.
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You might be expecting the unresasonable for some health professionals with diabetes to work in diabetes care. I had qualified as a Registered General Nurse when I was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, aged 30 years. I had also just gained a BSc Marine Biology, and was working in ecotourism - the degree became virtually useless on diagnosis, an effect of blanket bans on professional SCUBA diving, boat driving, overwintering in Antarctica etc. The medics I came into contact with were so useless, that I avoided any contact beyond absolute essentials (getting repeat prescriptions) not setting foot in hospital for over 5 years, by which time I had gained MSc Environmental Technology (Health and the Environment option). In the first 5 years after diagnosis, I had to leave New Zealand, return to parents' home in West Midlands, study in London, research project in Belfast, first post grad job in Cambridge, all while trying to earn a living, by whatever means were still open to me.
However, having got into health research, I am now working on the causes and effects of obesity and diabetes. But earlier on, I couldn't have coped with this sort of work, and still don't want to meet fat inactive type 2 diabetics with complications - it's too personal, despite being young, fit, active, normal weight etc. It's great if people with diabetes feel they can work in the field, but please remember the costs - it's nice to have one part of your life not dominated by the condition!
I would add that a couple of people with diabetes have had big positive effects on me - a teenage lad with diabetes who was in my expedition group about 5 years before my diagnosis - I remember thinking if he did it, then I can continue to do similat things, which I have and he has too, and has become a doctor, specialising in emergency medicine; a male diabetes specialist nurse, when I finally set foot inside a diabetes clinic, who reassured me I was doing OK.
 

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Sid Bonkers said:
But in this case I believe it is because something like 80% of diabetics are not proactive in their own diabetes management and GP's and DN's etc tend to treat everyone the same way and are genuinely surprised when they come across a forum member who has good control or is trying for it and understands their own condition :D

It is our job, no our destiny to educate the doctors of this great country of ours :p

I think you've hit the nail on the head there, Sid. Until more diabetics become proactive, change is going to happen slowly.
Still, once you've seen the way there's no turning back. :p
 

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My GP said to me last week would I like to go and give a motivating talk to her other diabetic patients! Not sure if she meant it, but as an HP I am going to remind her and seriously suggest it when I see her tomorrow. Nothing to lose really. But it would be sort of group therapy rather than a "talk".

I do think that to explode the "plot" we need loads of others motivated and on board.

DG
 

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When a new consultant came to my current hospital, she sent out information about pregnancy to all female diabetics of child-bearing age. I wrote back and said I wasn't interested in producing any children, but would welcome more information about managing diabetes in exciting travelling and activities and enclosed a couple of articles I'd written. She didn't have any more information to senfd me, but invited me to come to talk to the diabetes team meeting after the next annual review - I don't think anyone had ever brought a bouyancy aid to a teaching session before! (I specially chose a bouyancy aid with 4 pockets to to carry sweets, muesli bars, camera, suncreen etc when kayak touring, in case you wondered.) So, I hope some of my tips got through to other people with type 1 diabetes, via health professionals.
There is an organisation called PROUD (PROfessionals United by Diabetes), but it's not very active at present.
 

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I'm rather hoping that following the rather matter of fact way in which I was handed (what I presume is) the usual literature, and that I now have my BG under close control, that my Diabetic Nurse might sit up and take notice that something can be done about BG levels easily.

Who knows she might even be impressed at all the graphs and charts that I've produced which clearly show the wide variation in BG following her dietary advice (lots of starcy foods, potatoes, pasta, rice - What do you mean, you've heard it all before? :shock: ) and the sudden change to keeping the BG within the limits that I have set following my discovery of this priceless forum. OK, so there is the odd departure, but nothing worth getting excited about. I think a small treat once a week is probably all right.

Isn't it? :twisted:

IanS
 

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hanadr said:
What we need too is for those medics who are diabetic themselves to get into diabetes care.

I do my share of campaiging. I'm off to DUK again in 3 weeks to an "event" on self management. I'm amazed by some of the people I meet on these things. Some are still doing the plenty of carbs bit and wondering why they have such high numbers. I had someone curtsey to me when I revealed mine. the they eat sandwiches and biscuits and wonder when I eat the fillings and ditch the bread. At least some of the DUK staff are beginning to se how well I do and I know they are looking into reduced carbs again.
Hana
Hana, please PM me with details - I would like to join you there.

Ian
 

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IanS said:
I'm rather hoping that following the rather matter of fact way in which I was handed (what I presume is) the usual literature, and that I now have my BG under close control, that my Diabetic Nurse might sit up and take notice that something can be done about BG levels easily.

Who knows she might even be impressed at all the graphs and charts that I've produced which clearly show the wide variation in BG following her dietary advice (lots of starcy foods, potatoes, pasta, rice - What do you mean, you've heard it all before? :shock: ) and the sudden change to keeping the BG within the limits that I have set following my discovery of this priceless forum. OK, so there is the odd departure, but nothing worth getting excited about. I think a small treat once a week is probably all right.

Isn't it? :twisted:

IanS
The best you can hope for from the professionals is, "Congratulations - it works for you. BUT we couldn't possible recommend anyone to go against the received 'lots of starch carbs' advice."