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A REAL Cure for Diabetes

Im with Hanadr on this 100%, i have never been obese and at my least fit was still considerably fitter than most people. Both my parents were diagnosed with type 2 with Bmi's under 25. Both very fit an active also. Enough with the stupid generalisations please, its bad enough getting this from the general media fed public without getting it from supposedly informed fellow diabetics. Yes lifestyle can contribute, but it is not always the cause even in those who are overweight.
 
Brit90 said:
Show me a person who is fit and healthy (not overweight) with Type 2.
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Well Ranulph Fiennes ran 7 marathons in 7 days on 7 Continents and I would say he is physically fit, though not healthy since he has diabetes. Personally, I'd be totally cream crackered just flying to 7 continents in 7 days without doing anything else.

80% of obese people do not have type 2. It is one of the big mysteries, what tips a non diabetic into a diabetic state and why is it different for different people? Some thin people who are not obese and who are physically active get it too. Not as many true, but why?

It looks as if fat deposits in the liver and then the pancreas causes it but again, why does this happen to some people but not others?
 
Brit90 said:
This will be a trial for me, and hopefully I will not have to inject any more after this, or hopefully I don't stray from the diet regime. Everything is a struggle and we all get tempted by everything around us.

I welcome comments and criticisms.
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If I were a Type 1, I'd be more tempted to ask one of those Illuminati Lizards that David Icke claims rule the world.
 
Thundercat said:
I fail to see any connection between T2 being a lifestyle choice (which it most certainly is not)
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LIfestyle choice is one of those media friendly terms so beloved by the politically correct chattering classes.

Poor nutrition and lack of exercise are major factors in the rise of diabetes and choice doesn't come into it. People are working harder for less money, being encouraged to eat fast foods or convenience foods because places of work don't provide canteens and they are too tired to cook properly when they get home because, in addition to a working day, they have to spent a couple of hours commuting to and from work. Schools don't teach the kids how to cook and they've sold off the school playing fields for housing. When are they expected to learn?

Does the NHS provide it's patients with that awful food because it is a healthy option? No, it's all they can manage without the time and the money.

Diabetes isn't caused by a lifestyle choice, it's caused by people being tipped into bad habits by lifestyle pressures created by political ideas. A 'lifestyle choice' is just the politicians' way of projecting the blame for the results of the type of society that they have created.
 
Very well said Yorksman!! I have to add that I have read a number of your posts on these forums and have always totally agreed with you!! You come across as a very well informed individual with a heap of common sense!!!
 
julie54 said:
Very well said Yorksman!! I have to add that I have read a number of your posts on these forums and have always totally agreed with you!! You come across as a very well informed individual with a heap of common sense!!!
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I totally agree. We should start a Yorksman fan club :smile:

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colvic24 said:
I am recently diagnosed as type 2, I am 5'11" and weigh 12 Stone 9 lbs, my doctor said its nothing to do with my weight. I am male aged 53 and exercise regularly (cycling)
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Have you named yourself after the Colvic boat hull? I always dreamed of fitting one out. Never did of course..

Michael Moseley who has done a couple of BBC2 programmes about diet and exercise is worried about diabetes, even though, to me at least, he looks lean and fit. I guess it makes it even harder to know what to do about it.
 
julie54 said:
You come across as a very well informed individual
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I get shocks everyday. Yesterday I learned from my wife, who works in haematology, that her boss has Type 2 and that his eyes are now a mess and he is off Metformin and onto the next drug on the list before he has to take insulin. He's only had diabetes 1 year but just sees it as part of life and eats and drinks what he wants, sugar in coffee, biscuits etc and just accepts it as an inevitable progression. He's a blood scientist but just shrugs his shoulders. If the health professionals behave like that, I'm not having anyone telling me that my diabetes was a lifestyle choice. For all I know he's the one who puts my blood samples in the analyser.
 
I hope there is a cure for type one I hate having diabetes it stresses me out a lot and I always end up arguing with my dad due to me sneaking sweets at night I just wanna be a normal teenage girl who can drink and eat sweets.


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Billietobin said:
I hope there is a cure for type one I hate having diabetes it stresses me out a lot and I always end up arguing with my dad due to me sneaking sweets at night I just wanna be a normal teenage girl who can drink and eat sweets.


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Hi Billietobin :)
Your message is really nice and honest. says it all
Arguing with your dad sounds normal to me in a nice way.

Hope you don't get stressed out to much.

Roy :)
 
Yorksman - I guess that the bottom line for me is that although it is such a prevalent condition, on the increase throughout the world, that there is so little being done about it, and the advice/guidance given to people who become Type 2 diabetic seem to fall into this maelstrom of confusion and conflicting information! Having read through the forums regularly, I find that I am not the only one who feels this way. I am made to feel like a naughty girl because I have said that I want to try diet/exercise before going onto medication and can almost hear the 'tut tuts' as I leave the surgery!! And as for the battle I am still having in trying to get strips to enable me to test myself so that I can gain greater control over my diet/blood sugar levels etc., that one is just like banging a head against a wall!! I was told by my DN today that if I were on medication, then I would be more likely to be able to have the strips, but that there was little point in my having them when using diet control! Eventually she said she would give me one pot of strips (50) as a 'one off' but after that I would have to buy my own - despite living on a marginal income as a carer for my elderly parents - which she knows about. I felt as though my knuckles had been rapped. I simply don't understand the logic behind this attitude! If I were taking the medication, then I would see less of a point in testing - as presumably the drugs would do the job I am trying to do by diet control. Just pass me the wall so I can bang my head against it again please!!!!!
 
But if your diabetic then your ment to get test strips for free as long as a repet prescription has been done for you I don't really understand and buying strips are a lot of money my dad had to pay £30 for a pot of 50 strips and it doesn't matter if you go on a diet I tried but soon realised that you don't need to go on a proper diet just make sure your eating healthy and do little exercises


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Therein lies the problem! My GP surgery will not prescribe strips!! Initially I was told an outright 'No' when I asked the G.P. for a meter, the reason being given was that the strips were too expensive! So it appears that whilst there is no National directive given against prescribing strips, many G.P's are simply refusing, stating that there is no need to self test - irrespective of whether you are a reasoned individual with a modicum of intelligence, who knows what is best for yourself!! My surgery policy is simply - medication, medication, medication - no alternative!! They are even now prescribing medication for pre-diabetics. So it has been a real battle to get this one pot of strips including my having written to the CCG (formerly the PCT) asking for clarification on their policy, and so for me the 'one pot' is a move forward - but by no means is the battle over!! If I fail with diet (although so far my progress has been good and my sugar levels have dramatically fallen) then obviously I would go the medication route - but at my surgery they are not prepared to entertain diet as an option. I even thought today that maybe I should just take the prescriptions, tell them I am taking the medication, so that I can get the strips! Now that would be dishonest, ludicrous, stupid and probably unethical, but ..............
 
julie54 said:
I am made to feel like a naughty girl because I have said that I want to try diet/exercise before going onto medication and can almost hear the 'tut tuts' as I leave the surgery!!
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I recognise all the points you raise, right down to the condescending, 'Here's 50 strips. They will last you two months'. When I mentioned Prof Roy Taylor's Counterpoint Study, I got another dismisve 'Who's going to do that?'

Two points Taylor makes are:

The essential point is that substantial weight loss must be achieved. The time course of weight loss is much less important.

It is a simple fact that the fat stored in the wrong parts of the body (inside the liver and pancreas) is used up first when the body has to rely upon its own stores of fat to burn. Any pattern of eating which brings about substantial weight loss over a period of time will be effective. Different approaches suit different individuals best.

They are on the FAQ page which is available as a link from the 'homepage' for this project: http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/di ... versal.htm

In addition, Taylor writes in Diabetes Care, Type 2 Diabetes: Etiology and Reversibility, http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/781719

One of the pages is entitled, Reversal of Type 2 Diabetes by Diet Alone, http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/781719_3 and Implication for Management of Type 2 Diabetes, http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/781719_8

"Dietary weight loss of 15 kg allowed for reversal of diabetes in a small group of individuals recently receiving a diagnosis. In individuals strongly motivated to regain normal health, substantial weight loss is entirely possible by decreasing food consumption."

"for those who are strongly motivated to escape from type 2 diabetes, the new understanding gives clear direction. Physicians need to accept that long-term weight loss is achievable for a worthwhile proportion of patients."

Print the stuff off and ask your GP what he knows about diabetes that the internationally published Professor of Medicine and Metabolism doesn't know. Your GP probably thinks more like my wife's boss, 'well, there's nowt you can do about it'.

I got all the sneers and looks , 'yeah right I've heard that before'. I haven't been above 5.9 for a week now and that includes eating boiled new potatoes, rye bread, wholemeal pasta and even pizza.

Prof Taylor is aware of the resistance of GPs. On the homepage I linked to he says:

"It will take years for this new knowledge to become incorporated into textbooks and guidelines, so some notes for your doctor have been written (PDF: 220KB). Do bear in mind that your doctor will be wary of information from the internet – but this comes from Newcastle University. "

The good Prof Taylor knows what some of them are like.

Good luck!
 
Yorksman - it is interesting that you linked to Professor Taylor, because that was one of the first pieces of information I found on the internet following the diagnoses. I actually found the Newcastle Diet and followed this for nearly 5 weeks on the shakes/soups/salads - which got the weight loss off to a grand start! I would have liked to have completed the 8 weeks, but my birthday and 4 day holiday in Portugal stopped me from keeping it up! However, I continued dieting via low carb eating - which is very easy to do in a Mediterranean country!! When I went to see my G.P., I told her about the ND which I was following, and had actually printed off the 'Notes for Doctors' and gave it to her - her sneer was almost audible!! My intention is to restart the VLCD - I have the shakes in already - the intention being to drop another stone or so - and then to continue with a low carb regime. You see - to me the theory behind what Professor Taylor is saying makes sense - and I readily adapt to logical concepts - rather than the totally illogical advice given by NHS in terms of diet. If carbs cause the blood glucose problem - then the logic is to restrict them - not entirely but to a greater degree than our Western diet dictates! I have a way to go - but feel totally unsupported by the medical professionals - almost to the point of being punished! Hence the 'no, you can't have a meter'!!! It is my body, my condition (I can't being myself to call it an illness!) caused through lifestyle - and lifestyle cannot be treated by pills - but by lifestyle changes! There you go - logic again!! I just wish I didn't feel I have to fight those that should be helping me - very frustrating!! I began at 19.4 (15 fasting!) and am now between 5 and 7.5 - but never above - why is that not enough for the medical professionals to concede that I am doing something right - rather than being admonished and punished for not taking pills??!!! It may be that I could be totally wrong - but had I taken the meds, I have no doubt that my success would be attributed to them rather than my own perseverence and determination!! The thing is, I now am clear that my achievements are down to diet/exercise alone, and that if this does fail in the long term, then taking meds would be the next logical thing to do. But I ain't there yet - by any means!!! Thank you for all the encouragement you give - not only to me - but to many other people who use these forums. Some people I have seen on here can be sometimes quite caustic in their comments - but you always give good, sound and clear advice, without prejudice to the views of others. Much appreciated!!
 
What an intriguing and ill informed post :?

I'm a genetic T2..... Mother had it, grandfather had it, his mother had it.... Long line of it.

My GP has assured me there was NOTHING I could have done. Diet great (no convenience foods, everything made from scratch, little sugar), no snacking, live a healthy and active lifestyle, cycle 3 times a week, have other strenuous hobbies (have an allotment, keep chickens, play the bass and blimey those amps are heavy :lol: )

So if my Lifestyle choice has caused me to be diabetic, I'd like you to point out where :wink: I hardly chose to be born into a family of diabetics :lol:

Of course it's very convenient for the media to pick a subset of diabetics where poor diet, obesity and little exercise may have been a contributing factor.... That's sexy, that sells newspapers and makes people watch telly. It's far less exciting to attack genetic T2... Look at these people, it's their own fault they are diabetic because they were born into the wrong family with dodgy diabetes genes :o
 
julie54 said:
Yorksman - it is interesting that you linked to Professor Taylor, because that was one of the first pieces of information I found on the internet following the diagnoses. I actually found the Newcastle Diet and followed this for nearly 5 weeks on the shakes/soups/salads - which got the weight loss off to a grand start! I would have liked to have completed the 8 weeks, but my birthday and 4 day holiday in Portugal stopped me from keeping it up! However, I continued dieting via low carb eating - which is very easy to do in a Mediterranean country!! When I went to see my G.P., I told her about the ND which I was following, and had actually printed off the 'Notes for Doctors' and gave it to her - her sneer was almost audible!! My intention is to restart the VLCD - I have the shakes in already - the intention being to drop another stone or so - and then to continue with a low carb regime. You see - to me the theory behind what Professor Taylor is saying makes sense - and I readily adapt to logical concepts - rather than the totally illogical advice given by NHS in terms of diet. If carbs cause the blood glucose problem - then the logic is to restrict them - not entirely but to a greater degree than our Western diet dictates! I have a way to go - but feel totally unsupported by the medical professionals - almost to the point of being punished! Hence the 'no, you can't have a meter'!!! It is my body, my condition (I can't being myself to call it an illness!) caused through lifestyle - and lifestyle cannot be treated by pills - but by lifestyle changes! There you go - logic again!! I just wish I didn't feel I have to fight those that should be helping me - very frustrating!! I began at 19.4 (15 fasting!) and am now between 5 and 7.5 - but never above - why is that not enough for the medical professionals to concede that I am doing something right - rather than being admonished and punished for not taking pills??!!! It may be that I could be totally wrong - but had I taken the meds, I have no doubt that my success would be attributed to them rather than my own perseverence and determination!! The thing is, I now am clear that my achievements are down to diet/exercise alone, and that if this does fail in the long term, then taking meds would be the next logical thing to do. But I ain't there yet - by any means!!! Thank you for all the encouragement you give - not only to me - but to many other people who use these forums. Some people I have seen on here can be sometimes quite caustic in their comments - but you always give good, sound and clear advice, without prejudice to the views of others. Much appreciated!!
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Why did you not complete the ND diet after your birthday and holiday? I wouldn't have thought that those 5 days would have undone everything you had achieved. What do you think of the ND diet looking back? I suggested nearly two weeks ago that it might be interesting to others to hear from peoples' experience of the ND and have not heard anything. That may be, of course, because everyone ignores everything I blog. :( :( :(
 
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