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"A Single Cheeseburger Can Trigger Changes In Body Linked To Diabetes"

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So this alleged Cheese burger had no protein at all? ha ha. Of course protein never raises blood sugar some time later! Heavy use of irony! D.
 
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No worries, it's a good read.

Oh most definitely, it's only really applicable to a combination of fat/carbs I would have thought. I'm pretty confident that the fat is just a catalyst in this situation. But going from what I read, the fat does increase insulin resistance (it would seem) - making the bolused insulin less effective for the carbohydrate it was meant to cover.

Glass of olive oil for dinner tonight and tomorrow I'll have another glass with chips:)[/QUOTE]

He seems to state that fat increases insulin resistance as a given but I haven't seen that anywhere else..Visceral fat yes agree but dietary fat ...hmmm not so sure
 
It's quite funny reading the advocates of 'one size fits all' at times, as my experience is much the same as the study that's being so readily dismissed out of hand.
I am pleased the Ancell Keyes diet/heart hypothesis works for you and you are not obese on a low fat diet and your diabetes is controlled. Some time you must explain to us how it works and the results you get. I think personal experience is important. D.
 
@bulkbiker,

Here's one study which draws a correlation between dietary fat and insulin resistance in T1D's. I'd imagine the findings of the study would be applicable to an insulin treated T2D as well?

http://www.joslin.org/news/dietary-fat-can-affect-insulin-requirements-in-type-1-diabetes.html

Kind of... but even there they were having meals with carbs and fat so it may be that the impact of the carbs was altered by the fat rather than the fat itself causing the problem.
I guess until someone does a proper study with a large enough population (virtually impossible I believe) then we'll never really know.
 
OK.. So they "simulated" a cheeseburger & chips using "palm oil"..
Why not just see how a cheeseburger works?

You know what this guy thinks...?!

 
It would help if they had actually fed their victims a cheeseburger and not palm oil. Is there a difference? Who knows? At least they could try!
 
I am pleased the Ancell Keyes diet/heart hypothesis works for you and you are not obese on a low fat diet and your diabetes is controlled. Some time you must explain to us how it works and the results you get. I think personal experience is important. D.

Why, I'm not overly fussy how it works.
I don't feel I need to justify it to myself everday, let alone try to convince others.

I'm not that insecure over what I eat, I simply eat this way because it works, without needing to find someone to prove it does to me.
Try it, or not, I'm not overly worried to be honest, but, I'm not going to simply not say it because others can find a guru on the internet that says mainstream eating can't work, as it's not on the 'one size' alternative plan.
 
I think maybe it's because they are trying to find a reason why we are in the midst of what seams to be an epidemic of T2 diabetes when the vast majority of the population seem to be following your example and eating mainstream.

Mainstream obviously does not seem to work for many.
 
I think maybe it's because they are trying to find a reason why we are in the midst of what seams to be an epidemic of T2 diabetes when the vast majority of the population seem to be following your example and eating mainstream.

Mainstream obviously does not seem to work for many.

Interestingly, I was very obese before I gave up the junk food.
It's quite funny imagining every one at MacDonald's somehow being approved by the NHS to the eatwell plate.
 
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Don't be coy about your mainstrem method Doulas I should like to be able to eat baked potatoes again but I might not like putting that revolting low fat, sugar and salt filled yoghurt on them instead of real butter! D.

Why, I'm not overly fussy how it works.
I don't feel I need to justify it to myself everday, let alone try to convince others.

I'm not that insecure over what I eat, I simply eat this way because it works, without needing to find someone to prove it does to me.
Try it, or not, I'm not overly worried to be honest, but, I'm not going to simply not say it because others can find a guru on the internet that says mainstream eating can't work, as it's not on the 'one size' alternative plan.
 
Don't be coy about your mainstrem method Doulas I should like to be able to eat baked potatoes again but I might not like putting that revolting low fat, sugar and salt filled yoghurt on them instead of real butter! D.

You made your choice.

Me, I eat it with butter, and a very mature cheddar cheese thanks.
I actually prefer baked sweet potato now, same butter and cheese though.

(Just not every meal, or the saturated fats would push my cholesterol, and weight, through the roof again. Way too many calories if you don't eat in moderation)

In fact, I have a very nice haggis, neeps, and tatties lined up for Burns night tomorrow.
 
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Again, this is looking at diabetics that eat normal carbs plus fat. I just don't see it would have the same results on either zero carbs plus fats or VLC plus fats.
Yes I know. I'm not saying that eating a block of butter would give an insulin treated diabetic high BG. But it probably would with carbohydrates combined in the food as well.

It ties in with the whole cheese burger theory and pizza effect I mentioned a while back. The fat seems to be just a catalyst for insulin resistance, that results in high BG when combined with carbohydrates. Providing you're VLCHF, there just isn't enough carbs ingested to raise BG I wouldn't have thought.

I wonder if the effects would be the same for those of us who need to bolus for protein when on LCHF. Interesting theory anyway:)
 
Interestingly, I was very obese before I gave up the junk food.
It's quite funny imagining every one at MacDonald's somehow being approved by the NHS to the eatwell plate.

Not that long before he died from cancer a friend of mine was given the Eatwell plate guideline and told that he should try to eat both Macdonalds and take away curry. There was a picture of a beefburger and bun on the wall as an example of healthy eating!
 
@bulkbiker,

Here's one study which draws a correlation between dietary fat and insulin resistance in T1D's. I'd imagine the findings of the study would be applicable to an insulin treated T2D as well?

http://www.joslin.org/news/dietary-fat-can-affect-insulin-requirements-in-type-1-diabetes.html


Bearing in mind that the Joslin institute describes itself as the world leader in diabetes care and recommends a minimum 100g carbs per day to make sure you avoid ketosis and advocates using Canola Oil, switching to margarine , and as the first page of its recommended diet for me a a 59 yer old female diabetic pictures of the following :
breakfast - bagel and juice , lunch what appears to be a cheese flan plus a peach, dinner , something in a tortilla wrap and evening snack of banana and grapes -one can only think that if that is a world leader then God help the rest.

Its food pyramid starts off with 5-8 portions 15 g each of Breads, grains, other starches including carbs (starch, sugar, fiber), B vitamins, minerals bread, pasta, cereal, beans, peas, corn .


Its idea of ideal meals include : v Instead of high-fat, high-carb choices, try:
  • Macaroni and cheese cooked with fat-free evaporated milk, low fat cheese, and egg substitute (yuk)

One can only think that in its quest to vilify red meat and animal produce, its real mission is to wipe out diabetes through extermination.
 
It is interesting that this kind of debate has gone on for a long time... :D

https://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/blog/carbs-vs-fatsa-whos-to-blame/

But also good to know that there are at least some from Joslin that agrees low/moderate carbs is helpful
http://www.touchendocrinology.com/a...drates-era-diabetes-prevention-and-management

http://www.joslin.org/care/Osama-Hamdy-MD-PhD.html

I particularly liked the conclusion...but unfortunately it would take a while for that to filter thru...given the influence of big food and pharma industry...


Now, it is obvious that increasing carbohydrates in the diet increases glucose toxicity and consequently increases insulin resistance, triglycerides level, and reduces HDL-cholesterol. Recently, the ADA departed from the recommendation of high carbohydrates intake and recommended individualization of the nutrition needs. It is clear that we made a major mistake in recommending the increase of carbohydrates load to >40 % of the total caloric intake. This era should come to an end if we seriously want to reduce the obesity and diabetes epidemics. Such a move may also improve diabetes control and reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease. Unfortunately, many physicians and dietitians across the nation are still recommending high carbohydrates intake for patients with diabetes, a recommendation that may harm their patients more than benefit them.
 
It is interesting that this kind of debate has gone on for a long time... :D

https://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/blog/carbs-vs-fatsa-whos-to-blame/

But also good to know that there are at least some from Joslin that agrees low/moderate carbs is helpful
http://www.touchendocrinology.com/a...drates-era-diabetes-prevention-and-management

http://www.joslin.org/care/Osama-Hamdy-MD-PhD.html

I particularly liked the conclusion...but unfortunately it would take a while for that to filter thru...given the influence of big food and pharma industry...

if that is their conclusion, then it is a pity that big food and pharma appear to prevent them amending their own guidance!
 
Don't be coy about your mainstrem method Doulas I should like to be able to eat baked potatoes again but I might not like putting that revolting low fat, sugar and salt filled yoghurt on them instead of real butter! D.

Very nice.
Half a Macsweens haggis
black pudding,
swede and carrot, mashed with butter and chives
sweet potato mash, with butter,
gravy
and a couple of bottles of a nice beer.

Variety isn't bad.
 
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