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Advice for going low carb

xyzzy said:
Douglas all I am pointing out is you do not have the experience to advise an insulin using diabetic especially over low carbing. The exact same argument applies in reverse ie an insulin using diabetic does not have the experience to advise diet only T2s imo.

By all means comment on any thread but recognise your limitations when it comes to advice.

Charles specifically asked for advice on low carbing for insulin users not about the merits of lc.

As to moderating then board warnings have rightly been issued to diet only T2 forum members who have posted "advice" to insulin users.

This is why you will rarely see many even very experienced T2s commenting in anything more than general terms on threads like this because we don't know enough.

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If you don't believe you know enough to comment, fair enough, you know yourself best.
You also appear not to have grasped the thread title either.

It would be interesting to see how the single line which is the limit of what I have actually posted in this thread, although for some reason it seems to have struck fear and dread into many posters,

" liver function and bone density, as well as the rest of the bloods are also good checks if you lchf for life"

could be interpreted as bad advice, but as you clearly believe it to be possibly you are correct in your view on your limitations in this area.

Possibly you should also refer my advice, and see if the moderators believe advising ongoing medical care is poor advice?
If they do agree it's poor advice, I will stand corrected.
 
mo1905 said:
Yawn.........................


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Yeah I couldn't agree more. Douglas, you have ground your axe enough now. In case you missed my last post, kindly go and find another whetstone. Whether your point is valid or not, you just seem to want the last word now. I have taken on board your point about regular checks and thank you for it, but you are now contributing nothing.
 
Charles Robin said:
My needle supply and sharps bin have just been awarded permanent spots on the work top for easy access from now on. :)
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You'll need to order more! I was kind of amazed at how quickly I plow through them now; previously a box of 100 would have lasted months now they last 2 weeks.
 
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Charles Robin said:
Yeah I couldn't agree more. Douglas, you have ground your axe enough now. In case you missed my last post, kindly go and find another whetstone. Whether your point is valid or not, you just seem to want the last word now. I have taken on board your point about regular checks and thank you for it, but you are now contributing nothing.
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More than happy.

I'll still answer any post aimed at me, so possibly if you let it drop by all posters, maybe you'll get the result you want.
 
Dillinger said:
You'll need to order more! I was kind of amazed at how quickly I plough through them now; previously a box of 100 would have lasted months now they last 2 weeks.
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Yeah, I am anticipating that. I have already found that with my testing strips. I probably get through 100 every eight days, whereas a year ago that would easily last me a month. I'm very glad my GP surgery is signed up to an online ordering system!
 
Dillinger said:
You'll need to order more! I was kind of amazed at how quickly I plough through them now; previously a box of 100 would have lasted months now they last 2 weeks.
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I got questioned recently about the number of needles I get through - I had to explain to the diabetes nurse at my surgery that at least 5 injections a day means at least 5 needles a day. She seemed surprised! Maybe she's not used to dealing with Type 1s or maybe too many insulin users are reusing needles!

Smidge
 
Dillinger said:
I operate on the basis that everything that my DSN tells me is wrong, so it did take a while to verify that suggestion...
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Now we just need to convince you that you need a sharps bin to put the needles in ;)


In truth it took me a long time to change from reusing needles to changing them after every injection, I think in part Dillinger it was because we were told to reuse the needles when we first started off using glass syringes.
 
I know it is a bit sideways but interesting comment about new needles. Lot of places l work at tell folks to use the same syringe/needles for several days on their pets. I wonder if those could account for some animals that have a problem will post a warning on that on the main uk forum..

Thanks
MID:)
 
When it comes to making choices like constantly changing needles, I am extremely glad we live in the UK. We can make choices based purely on what is best for our health. Imagine if we lived in the US, and had to choose between medical or financial health! I just thought I would bring to light that although our DSNs are going about things all wrong, the NHS does give us some things to be glad for.
 
I have found everything on this thread extremely helpful and informative, even the 'argument': the reference to 'tests' was apposite for me, because I haven't had enough of them and haven't taken enough notice of those that have been done routinely at clinic appointments.
It's a bit difficult to 'buy' the idea that NHS doctors and HCPs cold-shoulder LCHF just because of their training. I'm wondering why the work and findings of dr Bernstein et al don't have more clout.
Meanwhile, LCHF is something I'm working on, it makes sense.
 
lizdeluz said:
I have found everything on this thread extremely helpful and informative, even the 'argument': the reference to 'tests' was apposite for me, because I haven't had enough of them and haven't taken enough notice of those that have been done routinely at clinic appointments.
It's a bit difficult to 'buy' the idea that NHS doctors and HCPs cold-shoulder LCHF just because of their training. I'm wondering why the work and findings of dr Bernstein et al don't have more clout.
Meanwhile, LCHF is something I'm working on, it makes sense.
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I'm glad that this has been of as much use to you as to me. I'm hoping that Dr Bernstein's approach will catch on more and more in the near future. When I mentioned him to my DSN, he said he had not even heard of him.
I think the problem is that it is far easier to hide from diabetes than to manage it properly, especially when someone is young. As a teenager I buried my head in the sand, and only started trying at all when my HBA1C was 10.4. DSN's often have an uphill struggle getting people to do any sort of management. They probably fear that if they try to force a diet on someone that cuts out all the foods they love, they won't follow it at all.
That is why forums like this are such a good thing. People can show that it's not only possible, but enjoyable to manage bloodsugars with a sensible diet. The more of us that switch on the light and say 'It's time to do something before it's too late', the easier it will be to convince DSN's to explore new avenues.
 
So, had some setbacks, and it turns out it was down to stupidity. I had heard people mention staying hydrated on a LC diet, and thought I drank enough. Turns out I really don't. The result? Severe intestinal cramps, and orange urine. I panicked like hell when I saw that, as I believed I was passing blood. Then I calmed down, remembered I had a urine test two weeks ago which came back normal, and then realised I had not had anything to drink that morning. 1 litre of water later, the pain was gone. And I was passing normal (light yellow) water again. If you're new to LC, drink loads of water!

I also came across this, well worth a read. http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/...ks-for-starting-or-restarting-low-carb-pt-ii/
 
Charles, thanks for that link, it clarified for me the point that I should be concentrating on keeping up my water intake rather than counting water & other fluids combined, something that I wasn't entirely clear about.
Robbity
 
because i had drank so very much before dx, once my bg started to go down i never got thirsty at all, i do mean never, i could drink talcum powder without needing a drink, i have developed kidney/bladder stones, weeing pure blood, not sure if the lack of drinking was why but i make myself drink now, if i want to or not
 
sorry re reading what i just wrote it sounds like im still peeing the blood, im not any more im under the stones clinic and drinking like a fish. no blood any more.... not for a couple of months
 
Andy12345 said:
sorry re reading what i just wrote it sounds like im still peeing the blood, im not any more im under the stones clinic and drinking like a fish. no blood any more.... not for a couple of months
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I'm glad to hear you have had relief from your symptoms. Abnormal urine is never a pleasant thing for a diabetic to experience! It's important to realise that sometimes the symptoms can be less sinister than the worst case scenario :).
 
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