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After meal BG for normal people

bassamaklan

bassamaklan

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Hello,
I've read a lot about after meal BG for normal people in which some argue that it should be under 120mg/dl 2 hours and other argue it should be lower thatn 140mg/dl even if the meal is high in carb, but I've noticed some of normal people can get higher numbers above mentioned range. I have checked this with my wife and one of my friend who are not diabetics and I don't believe they are pre-diabetic since they have great HBA1C (about 5.1%). I and my friend have eaten the same high carb meal at breakfast and our after meal BG was the same, 150mg/dl. Also, I and my wife had high carb dinner (white bread and fava beans) and when we checked after meal she was about 155mg/dl and I was at first 190 then move down to 145 after 5 minutes. I am pretty sure that they are healthy, but I don't know the reasons for this high reading and according to what I've read in several sites, this shouldn't be happen.

I appreciate if anyone can have explanation for this.

All best.
 
I am convinced that when any 'normal' person eats high carbs, ie more than their body can cope with, their bg levels will rise sometimes alarmingly so. Whilst their pancreas' are working properly their bodies get it back down again fairly quickly but that does not mean that they are not having an adverse reaction to carbs and does not mean that they are particularly healthy just because their bodies go back to normal more quickly than ours. A high carb diet must be an unhealthy option generally speaking but for diabetics it is particularly so. I think many (non diabetics) would benefit overall from fewer carbs, let's face it when you count them up it can amount to several hundreds a day for some (crisps/cakes/pies/batter/chocolate/sweets/bread/potatoes/pasta and on and on).
 
This graph might give you a better idea of what is happening...

The left chart shows the different glucose response, the right chart shows the insulin response.
http://www.builtformotion.co.nz/rev...-2-diabetes-reversal-part-4-glucose-tolerance

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Also if you google Dr Joseph Kraft's studies, you will find that only about 25% of the population have truly normal glucose/insulin response.
 
What were the levels before they ate? How long after starting to eat did you test them?
We use different measurement units from you. There is a converter here
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/blood-sugar-converter.html

In the UK the recommended levels are as follows:

Non-diabetics
Before meals 4 to 5.9mmol/l (72mg/dl to 106mg/dl)
at least 90 minutes after a meal under 7.8mmol/l (140mg/dl)

Type 2 diabetics
Before meals 4 to 7mmol/l (72mg/dl to 126mg/dl)
at least 90 minutes after a meal under 8.5mmol/l (153mg/dl)
 
So to be clear, a large section of the population are glucose impaired. But they still have adequate beta-cells to produce high level of insulin to quickly bring down the glucose levels. This keeps the overall glucose level and HbA1c low. This is the key reason why glucose measurements only tells half the story when it comes to metabolic health.

As Dr Joseph Kraft tried to point out for decades. The elephant in the room has always been about insulin, not about glucose. We now know that using glucose impairment as a clinical marker is pointing to the late stage of the disease progression, when more than 50% and up to 80% beta cells functionality has been lost.

But the main reason we use glucose measurement is simply because it is easily and rather cheaply available. There are no home testing kit for measuring insulin response.

http://www.thefatemperor.com/blog/2...-r-kraft-exposing-the-true-extent-of-diabetes

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kokhongw said:
This graph might give you a better idea of what is happening...

The left chart shows the different glucose response, the right chart shows the insulin response.
http://www.builtformotion.co.nz/rev...-2-diabetes-reversal-part-4-glucose-tolerance

151467_orig.png


Also if you google Dr Joseph Kraft's studies, you will find that only about 25% of the population have truly normal glucose/insulin response.
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I think that chart is a bit misleading. It shows only type 2 with poor control. Those that have good control look nothing like that.
Glenn
 
bassamaklan said:
Hello,
I've read a lot about after meal BG for normal people in which some argue that it should be under 120mg/dl 2 hours and other argue it should be lower thatn 140mg/dl even if the meal is high in carb, but I've noticed some of normal people can get higher numbers above mentioned range. I have checked this with my wife and one of my friend who are not diabetics and I don't believe they are pre-diabetic since they have great HBA1C (about 5.1%). I and my friend have eaten the same high carb meal at breakfast and our after meal BG was the same, 150mg/dl. Also, I and my wife had high carb dinner (white bread and fava beans) and when we checked after meal she was about 155mg/dl and I was at first 190 then move down to 145 after 5 minutes. I am pretty sure that they are healthy, but I don't know the reasons for this high reading and according to what I've read in several sites, this shouldn't be happen.

I appreciate if anyone can have explanation for this.

All best.
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I think we are all different and will respond differently, to some degree. I stopped chasing numbers right after eating, I tend to test 1.5 to 2.0 hours after eating. If I am not back below 5.5 in that time allotted, I will not repeat the food arrangement. In order to achieve my goals, I have to control what I eat to include the protein.
 
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