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Grazer said:
didie said:
Can I come to the party and be the designated driver as I don't drink alcohol pretty please? :D
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You sure you know how to drive a combine harvester?
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With all the gin we wont care!
 
Grazer said:
borofergie said:
Grazer said:
By the way, your comment on alcohol "wearing off" after a few hours. Doesn't seem to work like that. I think that by the time the alcohol stops affecting the liver, the carbs have either been digested or otherwise dealt with by the body, and my BGs NEVER take a hit!
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I don't want to get in a fight with Dr Grazer, the world's leading expert on alcohol-led diabetic control, but I thought that your liver "buffered" the carbs by turning them into fat in your liver for later processing. This is why alcoholics often suffer from liver cirrhosis.

My liver sure buffered one hell of a lot of carbohydrate in Holland a couple of weeks ago. That's why I'm never drinking again (again) :sick:
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You're probably right. But if it buffeted it by turning them to fat for later processing, maybe the later processing from fat when it takes place is less efficient and thus slower, so still less effect on BGs?
And if you feel like "never again", it means you don't get enough practice! So man up! :D
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There are two processes going on here:

1.Your liver throughout the day releases glucose into your blood stream..

Now in a 'normal' type I on a 'normal' high carbohydrate diet around 50% of the insulin intake in a day is designed to combat the liver releasing glucoses... in a type II that is low carbing I should imagine that the majority of the glucose effecting blood levels is coming from the liver... (the liver via Gluconeogenesis is converting protein to glucose, due to the lack of carbohydrate).... this is why in some type II's even when all carbohydrate is cut out blood glucose control still can't be achieved as the pancreas is so shoot to pieces it can't cope with the glucose the liver is releasing 24/7....

When you drink alcohol what your liver does is stop releasing the background glucose whilst it deals with the alcohol in the blood stream... over the 4 or so hours that this happens that could perhaps equate to 40 - 60g of carbohydrate... so this is quite a sizable amount of 'additional' carbohydrate that you can eat before you would see an increase in blood glucose...

2. Alcohol inter-fears with insulin secretion.
I am trying to find the study now! but I have read that in the short term consumption of alcohol can increase the amount of insulin released by the pancreas.. thus making you more effective at processing glucose in the short-term... Its also worth note'in as has been mentioned that alcohol also disrupts the bodies response to low-blood glucose...

So other than the hypo response that all sounds pretty good... however.... Some studies have shown (and again I am looking for them now!) that excessive alcohol over a period of time decreases insulin effectiveness... with one study showing that 75% of people with alcoholic liver disease also had an impaired glucose response or type II diabetes..
 
I'll make sure I stop before the alcoholic liver disease then! Does this mean you're not coming to the party? You'll miss out on seeing Didie driving the combine harvester....
 
Grazer said:
I'll make sure I stop before the alcoholic liver disease then! Does this mean you're not coming to the party? You'll miss out on seeing Didie driving the combine harvester....
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To be fair I don't actually drink all that much! last time I drank alcohol was at my office Christmas Party and that was just the one glass... but that doesn't mean I can't attend!
 
Grazer said:
didie said:
Can I come to the party and be the designated driver as I don't drink alcohol pretty please? :D
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You sure you know how to drive a combine harvester?
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I'm sure I can drive a combine harvester. My dad was a farmer at one time :D
 
I can drive a combine ;) so does that mean I can come?

Hubby (T2) has just been reading ways of naturally lowering BP (he is on low side of high verging high of normal!), he wants to get his pilots licence back and one of things on there says moderate alcohol helps, so two reasons to drink with dinner!! :thumbup:
 
I thought pilots were not allowed to drink for the 12 hours before a flight? Or is that only commercial pilots?

Reminds me of a time at our local airport, when one pilot (of a small, now defunct airline) got on the plane via the passengers' rear entrance, wearing dark glasses and carrying a white stick. He tapped his way down to the pilots' cabin to a stunned silence. :shock: Then the riot started :lol:

He was grounded. Spoilsports!

Viv 8)
 
Topsec said:
I can drive a combine ;) so does that mean I can come?

Hubby (T2) has just been reading ways of naturally lowering BP (he is on low side of high verging high of normal!), he wants to get his pilots licence back and one of things on there says moderate alcohol helps, so two reasons to drink with dinner!! :thumbup:
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As an aside topsec, I was higher than normal BP. About 145, sometimes 155 at doctors (white coat syndrome)
Don't take pills for it, but lost weight on a reduced carb diet and did a bit more exercise. Last check at docs, BP was 117!
Now, back to the party.
Do we want white or brown sarnies?
 
Don't take pills for it, but lost weight on a reduced carb diet and did a bit more exercise. Last check at docs, BP was 117
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I have to say the medical profession do seem a bit obsessed with giving out pills for everything.

His weight has come down since low carbing; a few pounds, he is not overweight by a great deal and only wants to lose another 5 or 6.

Now, back to the party .... it depends on the filling whether the bread is brown or white ;)
 
"There are two processes going on here:

1.Your liver throughout the day releases glucose into your blood stream..

Now in a 'normal' type I on a 'normal' high carbohydrate diet around 50% of the insulin intake in a day is designed to combat the liver releasing glucoses... in a type II that is low carbing I should imagine that the majority of the glucose effecting blood levels is coming from the liver... (the liver via Gluconeogenesis is converting protein to glucose, due to the lack of carbohydrate).... this is why in some type II's even when all carbohydrate is cut out blood glucose control still can't be achieved as the pancreas is so shoot to pieces it can't cope with the glucose the liver is releasing 24/7...."

Referring to Pneu's post - does it mean that the only option for such Type 2 person would be to go on insulin because even if doing low carbing, if the liver dumps alot of glucose one will not be able to sufficiently reduce his blood sugars?

sorry to interrupt the party but from the last few topics about this and the insulance resistsance i am thinking that probably i should accept that it is time to go on insulin.
 
I am very happy to attend the party, and again have a drink. FBG today 5.6 I have never had had one that low, so am delighted. Even with my sausage faux par. Drinks are on me (but only alcoholic ones). Can you imagine the GP's eyes if he read that? :lol:
 
Sorry Defren I dont think I can make the party but I will send you my address so that you can send me an excellent bottle of shiraz :thumbup:
CAROL
 
carty said:
Sorry Defren I dont think I can make the party but I will send you my address so that you can send me an excellent bottle of shiraz :thumbup:
CAROL
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Absolutely :lol: It's rather a shame you won't be able to make it, I'm sure we could encourage some of the gentlemen here to do a little table dancing. Now that would be rather a sight to see. Perhaps I could distribute pictures? :lol:
 
If they were sold for a profit we may be able to buy some testing strips , or maybe another bottle of wine :lol:
CAROL
 
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