Am I Classed as disabled now I have diabetes ?

[forty six]

Thank you for your clarification
One point I would like to mention in regard to seeming abuse - sometimes a person's condition is variable from day to day or not immediately obvious. For example, I have one friend in possession of a Blue Badge who has multiple sclerosis. On a good day, she can appear almost fit and well, but to walk a short distance can mean she spends the rest of the day in bed through fatigue. Another could seemingly walk well, but was on dialysis pending a transplant and also became very fatigued

I'm aware that there ARE abuses of the system, the same as in other areas, but I would be hesitant about reporting someone as it isn't always obvious as to why they have a Blue Badge.

Signy

In the cases where I have reported people they either did not now need the badge ie had recovered from an operation or had got the BB by dubious means. I do agree that sometimes you just don't know. Two of my friends have RSD which is a very painful illness effecting the nervous system. One of them is only 30 and she has suffered years of abusive comments over her use of BB's, some people even shout at her in the street that she is lazy and a cheat. This disease will eventually put her in a wheelchair. When it comes to these sorts of fluctuating conditions a good OT will see the situation for themselves,also someone with MS for example will probably be on DLA mobility which is an automatic BB application.

The running of BB's is minefield, we all know those who are deserving and they can be overshadowed by cheats and liars.

Going back to the original subject of 'are we disabled' I don't see diabetes as a disability, but the controlling of it will prevent you from becoming disabled.

 

[forty six]

I have just re-read some of the posts on here and what seems clear is that disability is a state of mind. I know several people who are either disabled or have disabled children and most of them hate the very word disabled.

I have to watch what I eat because of my sugar levels - one of my friends has to do the same because of migraines. Disability is as much in your head as in your body. We should all grasp onto the aspects of our lives that we can still do and hold on tight. Enjoy the life you've got, spend time with family and friends - you are a long time dead and nobody ever had 'I wish I'd spent more time in the office' on their tombstones.

I disabled friend of mine has just come back from a holiday on a restored and adapted square rigged sailing ship! Now that's living with your disability.

 

[donnellysdogs]

Well, I just returned from a few days between Boston, Skegness and York.

My day in Skegness was an eye opener!! I was totally discriminated against... The market at Ingoldsmel (?) totally advertised for "larger sizes here" "large sizes- up to size 30"... And then, I have never seenso many immobility scooters anywhere, ever.

Every person I saw on a mobility scooter was generously proportioned (except one- who had his blind dog in the foot well of the scooter).

We went to Morrisons twice over three days and on both occasions there was between 9 and 12 mobilitys parked up outside...

I was totally gobsmacked. I never, ever seen so many large people and qty of mobilitys anywhere. I even took a photo of a couple along the way to Butlins in there's as they were Mr & Mrs twin mobilitys...

The people in them weren't all old either!!! 80% of people in scooters were under 60, all but one were generously proportioned.

Sorry, Skegness... But if this is whats coming to all of the UK it is scarey. Yes, i am also assuming that those in mobilitys were getting a benefit of some sort too.

I'll probably get told off for this posting, but I was absolutely disgusted at the proud displays of "large sizes" and overly weighted humans on mobilitys....


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[catherinecherub]

Do you think that the deprivation and poverty may be to blame? I don't judge people by their size and do not have their medical history available to me to know if they have a condition that causes weight gain.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/f...ss-most-deprived-seaside-area-in-Britain.html


http://www.positivelypositive.com/2013/01/15/fatism-who-do-you-judge-and-who-do-you-love/

 

[mo1905]

It may be for some but I don't see obesity related to poverty for most. I think a lot of it is down to a much more sedentary lifestyle.

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[donnellysdogs]

It may be for some but I don't see obesity related to poverty for most. I think a lot of it is down to a much more sedentary lifestyle.

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Something is causing an epidemic of obesity.. It was shocking for me to see so much of it. Even my hubby said to me that I'm being discriminated against for being slim!!


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[donnellysdogs]

I haven't ever previously thought of obesity, mobility etc in such extreme as I did on my day out to Skegness.

I didn't think I was a judgemental person, but actually now I may be after vistung S.... There was not a single place that sold a salad!!!


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[Omnipod]

Type 1 diabetes is classified as disabled and altho you are not physically disabled, you are protected by the disability discrimination act.

 

[forty six]

I haven't ever previously thought of obesity, mobility etc in such extreme as I did on my day out to Skegness.

I didn't think I was a judgemental person, but actually now I may be after vistung S.... There was not a single place that sold a salad!!!


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No Salad!!!! OMG! At this time of year I practically live off the stuff, in the last 7 days I've had salad in some form 9 times! I'd die without salad in the summer. Well that's Skeggie off the list of holiday destinations.

 

[Avocado Sevenfold]

@Donnellysdog perhaps Skegness attracts holidaymakers who use mobility scooters because Lincolnshire is as flat as a pancake. Somewhere hilly, like San Francisco for example, would be harder to navigate.

 

[phoenix]

It may be for some but I don't see obesity related to poverty for most. I think a lot of it is down to a much more sedentary lifestyle.

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The relationship between deprivation and obesity in English children is almost linear, the more deprived the home , the more likely a child is to be obese
Child obesity prevalence in areas with the highest level of income deprivation is almost double that of areas with the lowest level
http://www.noo.org.uk/uploads/doc/vid_16967_ChildSocioeconSep2012.pdf


Edit: (having just read Catherine's links)
Forty years ago, my first teaching job was in a secondary modern school in Skegness. I can remember arguing that there seemed almost as many children from 'deprived homes. there as in the Inner London, 'educational priority area' school I later taught in
The decline in UK holidays has obviously compounded the situation.

 

[Indy51]

Absolutely believe those figures @phoenix. Obesity is the new face of malnutrition in developed countries.

 

[catherinecherub]

Well, I just returned from a few days between Boston, Skegness and York.

My day in Skegness was an eye opener!! I was totally discriminated against... The market at Ingoldsmel (?) totally advertised for "larger sizes here" "large sizes- up to size 30"... And then, I have never seenso many immobility scooters anywhere, ever.

Every person I saw on a mobility scooter was generously proportioned (except one- who had his blind dog in the foot well of the scooter).

We went to Morrisons twice over three days and on both occasions there was between 9 and 12 mobilitys parked up outside...

I was totally gobsmacked. I never, ever seen so many large people and qty of mobilitys anywhere. I even took a photo of a couple along the way to Butlins in there's as they were Mr & Mrs twin mobilitys...

The people in them weren't all old either!!! 80% of people in scooters were under 60, all but one were generously proportioned.

Sorry, Skegness... But if this is whats coming to all of the UK it is scarey. Yes, i am also assuming that those in mobilitys were getting a benefit of some sort too.

I'll probably get told off for this posting, but I was absolutely disgusted at the proud displays of "large sizes" and overly weighted humans on mobilitys....


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I too am slim but there is no way that I would judge people because of their size. I found your post offensive.

There is a lady who lives near me, probably about 45 years old, who lost a leg in a car accident and then had a stroke. Prior to all this trauma she did not have a weight issue. She is on anti-depressants and various other medications and her weight has risen and her Dr. has told her that this caused by the necessary medications that she takes She values her independence and rides a mobility scooter as she has difficulty walking and is unable to drive. To the casual, uncaring observer she would be described as overweight or even fat but they do not know her history. She is also on benefits. Anecdotal I know but unless you know why people are overweight then it is foolish to make judgments.

As for you being disgusted by the proud displays of larger sizes and overly wieghted humans on mobilitys, (your words) do you think they should hide away until it is dark so that they do not cause offence? How do you feel about the overweight Type2s on the forum? Are you disgusted by some of them? Is it a straightforward, eat less and move more solution or do you understand emotional eating, low self esteem and psychological problems are often entwined with weight gain?

Fatism is alive and well and there is a conference that you may be interested in. This gives some of the details and explains some of the prejudices.
http://www.kentnews.co.uk/news/fatism_the_last_acceptable_prejudice_1_3659828

Being poor means attempting to feed your family on a small amount of money. If a cauliflower is the same price as a loaf of bread and a tin of baked beans then you would opt for the loaf of bread and beans as it will go further. I know poor people who only eat veg once a week because they cannot afford it every day.

This post may not be what you want to hear and I make no apologies. I am upset and hurt, on behalf of larger people, by your prejudice.

 

[ladybird64]

Let me see. "shocked", "disgusted", "Mr and Mrs Twin mobility's", "large sizes and shameless advertising" (slight poetic license there..),"benefits" and wait for it.."discrimination" Funny the last one should have cropped up..

Catherine has kind of summed up a lot of what I would like to say. As a now size 14, was 22, I have got a fair bit I could say about that. Being the parent of an adult child with a genetic disorder that causes constant and insatiable hunger and who is also size 22/24, I could say a good few things else.
I could rant on about the hateful remarks that have been slung in her direction for doing no more than walking along the street. The vitriol and hatred that has been directed at me when I have taken her out and have handed her the Freedom Pass she uses on public transport. I have been called a scrounger and also disgraceful because my daughter is large and is disabled and uses a "disability" pass to travel. She has learning difficulties too which makes her more of a target. she doesn't understand why the people who stare at her and make "tut tut" noises are doing it, she doesn't know why she get's the filthy looks when she smiles at certain people..but I do.

It's called discrimination Donnelly's Dogs, real discrimination. Not the annoyance you feel at seeing shops display the fact that they sell larger sizes because let's be blunt here, nobody was stopping you from going into a shop that sells your size was there? Nobody giving dirty looks or making hurtful remarks to you? How very dare these shops cater for larger sizes? How dare they advertise that fact? I would counter that by saying how dare you cast aspertions on people that you do not know and will probably never see again. You see it's people with that same underlying disgust that I dealt with every day, both while with my daughter and by myself. No doubt someone will come along and say that is a rare situation and they are talking about a, b or c, yadda yadda. Quite frankly, I don't give a monkey's. Unless you know someone's situation, you can't pre judge. There has been plenty of judgement shown on this thread and while I find it despicable, it doesn't surprise me. My girl is now in a secure residential unit where she has no access to take food and gorge, all cupboards are locked. 3 years after she moved there she is still the same size as when she left us, her mobility is a major issue although she tries hard. She may need a mobility scooter when she is quite a young woman. I wonder what kind of a world we live in where a complete stranger might decide to take a photo of her for no other reason than for her size.

I've lost 6 stones, much slimmer. Does it make me a better person? Hell, no. But least I wouldn't take pictures of people I don't know just to try and prove a point..I wouldnt stoop so low.

 

[donnellysdogs]

I just found it staggering, nit to be offensive. Something has changed in our society as a whole.perfectly accept that medical reasons etc are awful causation of weight gain..

Its not a case of me feeling disgusted, just that I was astounded, even more so that I could not find anywhere in the town centre or the funfair place that offered alternative food such as a salad.

I'm not at all saying I find larger sizes (or At least I didn't mean to) as a horrible aspect to people. Far from it..i think as I was told to go to the market at the funfair place and came out with nothing when I got told its cheap and lots there, that I was disappointed that that smaller clothing was so in the minority.

And yes, Skegness is so flat, so perhaps that was a reason for more mobilitys.

Sorry if it sounded offensive, as that wasn't the intention.


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[donnellysdogs]

The picture I took was for myself, as the couple actually looked so similar to me and my hubby facially wise and hair. It could be us in the future.. It wasn't as an amusement but as a reminder to myself that life is short and to keep myself fit.

I have myself suffered so badly from leg damage that I thought I would in the future have a mobility. It wasn't as a mock to others that have them, but as a reminder to myself that I have to keep myself as fit as possible..

I think the explanation of there being more mobilitys there than anywhere I have ever seen of it being so flat does make it a reason why there were so many and a reason that I had not thought of....especially as I spent a few years in a mountainous region-that would be an explanation as to why I didn't see so many there.

I fully empathise with persons that have the disease that emphasises the brain to want more food, and I know how difficult it is for people to get into clinics and residential placements when they need to.

The same as I feel for anybody that suffers from anorexia etc.

I do also agree that poverty has a huge part to play with our diets. Indeed I was discussing this aspect with my partner last night because of the posting made about the products that were being supplied through the food aid centres...and as well the fact that the government seem to be briging back free milk for children at school.. I had that 40+ years ago and think its a good thing to bring back.




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[donnellysdogs]

I too am slim but there is no way that I would judge people because of their size. I found your post offensive.

There is a lady who lives near me, probably about 45 years old, who lost a leg in a car accident and then had a stroke. Prior to all this trauma she did not have a weight issue. She is on anti-depressants and various other medications and her weight has risen and her Dr. has told her that this caused by the necessary medications that she takes She values her independence and rides a mobility scooter as she has difficulty walking and is unable to drive. To the casual, uncaring observer she would be described as overweight or even fat but they do not know her history. She is also on benefits. Anecdotal I know but unless you know why people are overweight then it is foolish to make judgments.

As for you being disgusted by the proud displays of larger sizes and overly wieghted humans on mobilitys, (your words) do you think they should hide away until it is dark so that they do not cause offence? How do you feel about the overweight Type2s on the forum? Are you disgusted by some of them? Is it a straightforward, eat less and move more solution or do you understand emotional eating, low self esteem and psychological problems are often entwined with weight gain?

Fatism is alive and well and there is a conference that you may be interested in. This gives some of the details and explains some of the prejudices.
http://www.kentnews.co.uk/news/fatism_the_last_acceptable_prejudice_1_3659828

Being poor means attempting to feed your family on a small amount of money. If a cauliflower is the same price as a loaf of bread and a tin of baked beans then you would opt for the loaf of bread and beans as it will go further. I know poor people who only eat veg once a week because they cannot afford it every day.

Carherine, I was not disgusted at all and never have been at any larger person, indeed my hubby was larger and I am grateful for your link.

I am concerned greatly at poverty. Especially as it is going to get worse, especially for older persons that hae no private pensions and reliant upon govt state pension.

I have a photo of my dad going to school with no shoes on, and it is shocking. So poverty is something I feel very strongly about. This is why I found the posting about food bank a few weeks ago so intersting.

Indeed I have photos of relatives queueing up with ration books and have wartime recipe books. My first hubby was fed so little as a child, his stomach actually shrunk and he could not eat a full size meal. He was a 26" waist and 5'11". Poverty is not easy, and nobody's choice. I also remember parents coming in to my store with vouchers to buy school clothing, I do not know if this still happens and also whether children can still get free school meals?

I have friends that I bring home fresh excess veg n food for from gardens, and indeed my own garden, just so that they have some in their diet.

I can be controversial in the way I write things... Not intentional to make enemies, but I do find debate and reasonings an education to myself..
And I am intersted greatly in the world we live in-not to mock it, but in someways when my time is up, from the people that know me, they will say that I tried to help others.. Even if it is a lively debate upon disability it has educated me and I learn from others...










This post may not be what you want to hear and I make no apologies. I am upset and hurt, on behalf of larger people, by your prejudice.

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[Jill the tt]

The picture I took was for myself, as the couple actually looked so similar to me and my hubby facially wise and hair. It could be us in the future.. It wasn't as an amusement but as a reminder to myself that life is short and to keep myself fit.

I have myself suffered so badly from leg damage that I thought I would in the future have a mobility. It wasn't as a mock to others that have them, but as a reminder to myself that I have to keep myself as fit as possible..

I think the explanation of there being more mobilitys there than anywhere I have ever seen of it being so flat does make it a reason why there were so many and a reason that I had not thought of....especially as I spent a few years in a mountainous region-that would be an explanation as to why I didn't see so many there.

I fully empathise with persons that have the disease that emphasises the brain to want more food, and I know how difficult it is for people to get into clinics and residential placements when they need to.

The same as I feel for anybody that suffers from anorexia etc.

I do also agree that poverty has a huge part to play with our diets. Indeed I was discussing this aspect with my partner last night because of the posting made about the products that were being supplied through the food aid centres...and as well the fact that the government seem to be briging back free milk for children at school.. I had that 40+ years ago and think its a good thing to bring back.




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i.m just curious the bind dog riding on the scooter did he bark to clear people out the way of a blind person driving

 

[this is too difficult]

We were there about 4 years ago

I haven't ever previously thought of obesity, mobility etc in such extreme as I did on my day out to Skegness.

I didn't think I was a judgemental person, but actually now I may be after vistung S.... There was not a single place that sold a salad!!!


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We were there about 4 years ago and thought exactly the same thing. People were driving up to shops on their scooters then getting off them and just walking around normally. Most of these people were more mobile than I am.

 

[donnellysdogs]

i.m just curious the bind dog riding on the scooter did he bark to clear people out the way of a blind person driving

That thought of that made me laugh. The dog was blind. Poor thing had its eyes removed and stitched up 3 months earlier due to glaucoma. He was just sat in well by feet and then when talking to owner he jumped up on his lap. Isn't it amazing though how well dogs cope. The owner said he still found his way round the home okay...


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