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Am I fighting too hard at a losing battle?

There are people who have been diagnosed with type 2 a long time ago and have been suffering from high blood sugars and increased medication, eventually needing insulin. These people have been taking pills and following the standard advice from their GPs to eat lots of carbs. Surprisingly, many of these people find that they reduce or come off all medication once they start a low carb diet as their blood sugar levels can be reduced to non-diabetic levels. The many years they have been suffering from high blood sugars, glucose spikes and high blood insulin levels will have resulted in hardening of the arteries and increased risk of alzheimers.

According to my diabetes nurse, most people with type 2 diabetes do not change their diet much and hence suffer from a progressive degenerative effects of diabetes. These people will suffer from a shorter life expectancy of up to ten years, but this is unnecessary if they made the appropriate diet and lifestyle changes.
 
Lally123 said:
Killing people?
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I have just seen on another thread that you are a nurse. So am I, or at least I was until about 10 years ago. It is a very difficult thing to accept that what we were taught and what in all good conscience we advised people to do was wrong. I worked in end of life care ( hospice) so didnt really have much to do with " well " people, but when I was dx I dug up all of the info I remembered, had a quick look at the nhs pages and went to see the dn at my practice. And I believed it.
It wasnt until I decided that actually, I did want to worry about going blind that I really did some digging.

I got the blood sugar diet book, joined here and found jason fung. And had to accept that I had been wrong. Not my fault (or maybe it was my fault for just blindly accepting what I was told), and I cant go back and do it all again, but I can start from here.

It may well be that in the future this will all be proved to be a horrible mistake and we all go back to eating cake, but if that does happen I will readthe evidence for myself, decide for myself and make my own decisions. And if the science leads I will follow. That is the problem at the moment. The science is leading but staff in the nhs are not following.
 
Lally123 said:
Killing people?
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Yes killing people.
That is how dangerous I see the NICE guidelines as being.
Follow their advice and die earlier than you had to.
 
poshtotty said:
Those are excellent results. Congratulations!
As for Metformin, I've been taking it for nearly 4 years and initially made regular requests to come off it but after doing my own research and discovering its other health benefits, have decided to remain on it. On the rare occasions I've forgotten to take it, my BS have increased by as much as 2 mmol.

When I mentioned B12 deficiency to my GP he was unaware that it could be caused by Metformin so has now included tests for it within my regular blood tests. So far, all my blood tests have come back normal.

From personal experience, I would urge you to take everything you read with a pinch of salt. With one or two exceptions, no-one here is an expert. Consider carefully everything you read and do your own research, adapting your acquired knowledge to your own particular situation. And have a lovely break!
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No harm trying to come off it if your results are so low. You can always go back on.
 
Hi @sugarshy,
From my experience as a Type 1 diabetic, not as professional advice or opinion:
It sounds like you really need to be able to sit down with your GP, with questions prepared.
The above posts have given you lots to think about and they should help inform your discussion.
Might I just point out that I have come across many doctors who are conservative by nature, and so the prescription of metformin in their minds has caused the great result (and nothing to do with you doing all the work you have done of watching your diet and taking the medication)! The logic is then: If you stop the Metformin then things will get worse again - without thinking that your situation is likely to quite different now compared to when you first started on Metformin.
You have likely lost weight and are more informed and more careful with what you eat. And you may find further help, and at least interest, in some of the diets that members on this site adhere to.
Alcohol is not kind to the human body. It is produced by yeast cells to prevent other bugs invading their territory - in other words, no matter how you look at it, alcohol is a toxin. The so-called antioxidant and beneficial effects of wine for people can be obtained from unfermented grapes.
So please do yourself a favour and find a better habit. Diabetes, if not kept well controlled itself, can can make the liver unwell. Why risk liver and other organ damage long term with taking alcohol?
 
But grape joice is very bad for anyone with Type2 due to the high level of suger it contains. Personally I think the claimed "benfits" from having a glass of wine may be more to do with the relaxing and socal contract that tend to go along with drinking red wine.
 
ringi said:
But grape joice is very bad for anyone with Type2 due to the high level of suger it contains. Personally I think the claimed "benfits" from having a glass of wine may be more to do with the relaxing and socal contract that tend to go along with drinking red wine.
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But there are extracts etc without the sugar - but the cost is a consideration !!!
 
@Seemtobeeasy , @kitedoc and @ringi - You are replying to a very old thread, where the last responses were over a year ago, and the OP last logged onto the site a few months ago. There's nothing wrong in doing that, but the OP may not see your contributions.
 
Kentoldlady1 said:
I have just seen on another thread that you are a nurse. So am I, or at least I was until about 10 years ago. It is a very difficult thing to accept that what we were taught and what in all good conscience we advised people to do was wrong. I worked in end of life care ( hospice) so didnt really have much to do with " well " people, but when I was dx I dug up all of the info I remembered, had a quick look at the nhs pages and went to see the dn at my practice. And I believed it.
It wasnt until I decided that actually, I did want to worry about going blind that I really did some digging.

I got the blood sugar diet book, joined here and found jason fung. And had to accept that I had been wrong. Not my fault (or maybe it was my fault for just blindly accepting what I was told), and I cant go back and do it all again, but I can start from here.

It may well be that in the future this will all be proved to be a horrible mistake and we all go back to eating cake, but if that does happen I will readthe evidence for myself, decide for myself and make my own decisions. And if the science leads I will follow. That is the problem at the moment. The science is leading but staff in the nhs are not following.
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I respect your honesty and am inspired by your humility.

Listening to Dr Noakes talk about hastening his father’s death moved me deeply. As a doctor, he harmed his own dad.

He’s desecrated his life to telling the truth about diabetes and diet. He’s gotten in hot water for it.
 
Do people in USA get regular health checks (free?) for such as diabetes? If not 50% prediabetic /diabetic is probably a low figure.
 
rmz80 said:
Do people in USA get regular health checks (free?) for such as diabetes? If not 50% prediabetic /diabetic is probably a low figure.
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It’s a complicated answer.

If unemployed—yes -free pretty much everything —disincentive for employment and incentive for illegally breaking into the nation. It’s getting worse.

If wealthy — no problem -private doctors, top care.

If working full time middle class: long waits, expensive co payments or costly insurance premiums.

My solution is quite a savings.

Eat healthy —natural whole Foods. No processed foods. LCHF

It seems that many regain health, go off meds which saves $$$$

The medical establishment prefers eat processed foods and rely on ever increasing medicines to slow the damage.

It’s a huge powerful machine.
 
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