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JBrown2

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Cleethorpes
Type of diabetes
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Insulin
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All these cakes in the shop and I cant have any
Diagnosed with type 2 diabetes a few weeks back. Blood sugar has been varying between 8.5 and 17.0, but have now been told Metformin is not controlling the level enough, was taking 2 Metformin twice a day. So as from last week I have been having to inject myself with insulin. The Diabetes came on as a complete surprise, hardly ever been sick in my life and this all came up from a MOT, totally gob-smacked.
 
Hi and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask all the questions you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 70,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi and welcome to the Group.

There's a mine of information here, from people who've got all sorts of experiences of living with diabetes. I've found it invaluable over the past few months since I was diagnosed - like you, after a relatively healthy past.

My advice is to read up on it all, as much as you can (Daisy's post is a good start) so you can start to get an idea of how it's affecting you. We're all different, so there's no single blueprint that we can all follow, although there are some basic rules.

Metformin can help but I've found that it's all been down to lifestyle - what I've been eating (and drinking), lack of exercise and being overweight for a long time. In starting to change those, I've seen a very positive effect on my blood sugar.

Regards,
 
2131tom said:
Metformin can help but I've found that it's all been down to lifestyle - what I've been eating (and drinking), lack of exercise and being overweight for a long time.

This is very often the case and I'm surprised that the GP went from diagnosis to metformin to insulin within a few weeks. OK, 17.0 is high but 8.5 is by no means unusual. Cutting out refined carbs, cutting back on complex carbs, losing weight and taking exercise are often more effective than metformin and the combination of metformin, diet and exercise is often very effective. Many posters here have been able to come off the metformin so it sound to me like the GP has made the decision that you won't attempt diet and exercise. He/she should at least encourage you and give you the time to have a go.
 
Hi. As Yorksman has said, get the weight down if you are overweight by controlling carbs. That way you may be able to reduce the insulin. You may, of course, actually be normal weight and possibly a T1.5 in which case insulin can be a good solution.
 
Hi Yorksman, I don't think diet and exercise would do me much good. I changed all my food intakes to try to help, and as for exercise, at 73 years old, with a walking stick, I cant see me running up and down the street. One of the reasons I went to the doctors in the first place was because I had lost a lot of weight.
 
concordeg said:
Hi Yorksman, I don't think diet and exercise would do me much good. I changed all my food intakes to try to help, and as for exercise, at 73 years old, with a walking stick, I cant see me running up and down the street. One of the reasons I went to the doctors in the first place was because I had lost a lot of weight.
I think you'd be surprised how far a change in your diet can go. There's plenty of success stories from other type 2s who have changed to a low carb diet and found that it's really helped with keeping their blood glucose much more stable. With regards to exercise, even just going for a short walk is good.

Definitely don't think running with your walking stick is a very good idea :lol:
 
concordeg said:
Hi Yorksman, I don't think diet and exercise would do me much good. I changed all my food intakes to try to help, and as for exercise, at 73 years old, with a walking stick, I cant see me running up and down the street. One of the reasons I went to the doctors in the first place was because I had lost a lot of weight.

Perhaps activity would be a better word than exercise. You don't have to do half marathons or pump iron and those magenta head bands and lycra shorts are best avoided. As Givery states, even a short walk helps. This was clearly demonstrated by Michael Moseley on the BBC. One day he had a good full english breakfast with all the trimmings and half an hour later they took a blood sample and centrifuged it. The blood separates with the lipids floating to the top. They did the same test the following day but had him go for a walk after the meal and before the test. The effect on the lipids was substantial, abvout half as much as before.

Activity releases several hormones which trigger the production of several digestive enzymes which affect how food that you have just eaten is metabolised. This is different from exercise trying to burn off fat. You have to work very hard indeed to do that but you can much more easily affect what you have just eaten. It's the old sayings about walking off a meal or taking a daily constitutional. Even gardening helps.
 
Hi. Interesting that you had lost a lot of weight which is more of an indicator of T1.5 rather than T2. It is supposed to only occur in the young but as I found it can occur much later where the pancreas degrades not necessarily due to being overweight and insulin resistant. Diabetes is a complex condition!
 
Peeing a lot, drinking a lot, blurred vision and rapid weight loss for this T2.

Metformin, increased activity and sorting my diet worked.
 
Mongoose39uk said:
Peeing a lot, drinking a lot, blurred vision

Reminds me of a good night out at the Acapulco, 75p any drink, any night before 11pm.
 
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