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Any comments on DUK info, Ally?

sugarless sue said:
Remember the forum policies ,folks.

Do not be rude or offensive
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but please try and go by the rule of only speaking to people here as you would on a face to face basis. Do not try and shock, upset or offend. Debate and discussion are fine, as are controversial opinions, but each individual should be treated with respect and tolerance. Remember, everyone is different in age, experience and the nature of their diabetes. Finding common ground and sharing help is the purpose of this forum.
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Flaming is never tolerated on the forum.Individual members have already been warned about this.

Sugarless Sue ...Senior Moderator.
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It is bad enough that Sue has had to remind us of the forum rules, it is even worse that you have chosen to ignore her. If this thread continues in the same vein it will be locked. As it stands I believe Ally has answered IanD's original questions.

Regards, Tubs.
 
That was my intention Dave. Whether you agree or disagree with a poster is irrelevant. No one deserves abuse, subtle or otherwise.
 
catherinecherub said:
No one deserves abuse, subtle or otherwise.
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Catherine i couldnt agree more .. does the above quote extend to the info in the leaflet that started this thread .
 
I for one have had enough. Ally has answered IanD's original question, Ian has posed a second question - Let Ally answer that one.

The point has been made, more than once, that Ally is not personally responsible for information published by DUK or NICE. Nor is she personally responsible for any advice given to Spike.

If Ally chooses to respond to Ian or Spike that is down to her, she will be allowed to voice her personal opinion without being shouted down. You will be able to voice your opinion about her response without attacking her personally. After all, that is what debate is about.

Regards, Tubs.
 
I know that many members do not agree with Ally’s way of thinking and, over the last few days, the forum is full of ‘Ally baiting’.Ally is a member here ,like all others, and therefore subject to the same rules ,policies and protection that all members enjoy. I would ask ,therefore that members stop this ‘baiting’ for their own entertainment and get back to what this forum is good,no,excellent at, advising and supporting other members.
However I would also like to add, Ally, if you start controversial threads that provoke strong responses please do not go shouting ‘abuse’ .If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Please, everyone ,lets foster healthy debate and further our knowledge and support for one another without eating our own members.
If any of the other mods think this post is out of line then they may delete it. I just have to occasionally have a say that is not the usual neutral stance of Senior Mod.
 
Jeez, I only asked for a bit of advice! What's all the palaver about?
All I asked was whether the advice I'd been given was reasonable or not. If I've been encouraged to reduce the fat in my diet and eat more starchy carbs instead, a second opinion shouldn't be too much to ask for? It doesn't seem to work for me, but does it work for any of you? If it doesn't work, then I have to do something contrary to the medical advice in order to improve my health. I can appreciate we ultimately have to make our own decisions here, but how does the dieticians advice help me to do that? If I have to do it differently, will it have to be without the support or endorsement of my medics? To be left to my own devices is one thing, but to contradict the official line completely is something else entirely?

Spike
 
Dear Spike ....... eat sensibly ....maintain a healthy weight and get some exercise. As im not a HCP i cant possibly give more definitive advice than that.
But hope it helps
Dave P
 
Spike said:
Jeez, I only asked for a bit of advice! What's all the palaver about?
All I asked was whether the advice I'd been given was reasonable or not. If I've been encouraged to reduce the fat in my diet and eat more starchy carbs instead, a second opinion shouldn't be too much to ask for? It doesn't seem to work for me, but does it work for any of you? If it doesn't work, then I have to do something contrary to the medical advice in order to improve my health. I can appreciate we ultimately have to make our own decisions here, but how does the dieticians advice help me to do that? If I have to do it differently, will it have to be without the support or endorsement of my medics? To be left to my own devices is one thing, but to contradict the official line completely is something else entirely?

Spike
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Spike, it works for me as long as I stick to "normal" portions and do not misinterprete "eat plenty of starchy foods, fruit & veg." to mean eat everything double or triple portions. For instance, if I eat potatos and rice together I eat half a portion of each NOT one portion of each.

I think the advice ""eat plenty of starchy foods, fruit & veg." does not mean in one sitting.
 
thank you for those kind words - it is very much appreciated as I think the forum has been a little "odd" for the past few days.

catherine - your posts are brilliant.

ally
 
Catherine,



if you get to read this can you point me in the right direction,
RE- This is why it is essential to complain about being unable to manage their diabetes.
(There are many suggestions as to how to go about this throughout the forum).quote
 
Spike said:
I only asked for a bit of advice! What's all the palaver about?
All I asked was whether the advice I'd been given was reasonable or not. If I've been encouraged to reduce the fat in my diet and eat more starchy carbs instead, a second opinion shouldn't be too much to ask for? It doesn't seem to work for me, but does it work for any of you? If it doesn't work, then I have to do something contrary to the medical advice in order to improve my health. I can appreciate we ultimately have to make our own decisions here, but how does the dieticians advice help me to do that? If I have to do it differently, will it have to be without the support or endorsement of my medics? To be left to my own devices is one thing, but to contradict the official line completely is something else entirely?

Spike
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That is precisely the problem, Spike. We are given advice by the health profs along with the info that diabetes is progressive, so that if we follow their advice, complications will follow. We are also told by HPs that getting advice from the www is dangerous, & that what may work for one is not suitable for all - only change your treatment if advised by the HPs who will only give you the party line advice anyway.

Does the standard dietary advice amount to medical negligence? Equivalent to prescribing a drug that aggravates the condition or causes side effects that are then attributed to the disease rather than the wrong treatment.

Should we bring a "class action" against NHS & DUK for the perverse diet they advise? My leaflet was hot off the press, & it will be given out to many who will follow the diet until the expected complications set in (like I did.) Some will continue to get worse, unless they find a website like this & change their diet.

My problems substantially cleared after 3 months of reduced carb. I had crippling leg pain a year ago.
 
IanD said:
The leaflet in question is: http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23068721/
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This is the bit that matters:

Lifestyle - diet, weight control and physical activity
You can usually reduce the level of your blood glucose and HbA1c if you:

Eat a healthy balanced diet. A practice nurse and/or dietician will give details on how to eat a healthy diet. The diet is the same as recommended for everyone. The idea that you need special foods if you have diabetes is a myth. Basically, you should aim to eat a diet low in fat, high in fibre, and with plenty of starchy foods, fruit and vegetables.


i think an awful lot of us on here already know that this can be and is just plain lies ! They perpetuate the 'myth' that we can all eat the same diet as everyone else. NOT TRUE.

If, like me you disagree with the above then tell them so in no uncertain terms, whenever and wherever you can. E-mail this shower and put them straight.
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IanD said:
Should we bring a "class action" against NHS & DUK for the perverse diet they advise?
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I'd be right behind you there, mate. I'm surprised this has not already happened in the US. They love a bit of "Blame Culture".

One day the advice the NHS gives re: Diabetes is gonna all come crashing down around 'em. I just hope it means that future diabetics are able to get the right information at diagnosis, instead of meeting all the complications that so many of us go through, and getting to their wits end before ignoring the NHS' advice and seeking alternative info elsewhere...
 
Patch.............. just going with the flow of the thread, as im only a diabetic who happens to post on here and not a fully qualified HCP what do i know ???

Dave P
 
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