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Apparently grilled meat increases insulin resistance

no mention of who sponsored that research...

note, the mice weren't actually fed grilled meats, but a diet high in Methyl Glyoxal. There's no indication just how much grilled meat that high MG content would equate to.

Anyway, mankind has been eating grilled and roasted meat for a very long time in evolutionary terms... the current diabetes and obesity epidemic has only manifested itself very recently and coincides with the push for low-fat diets and the demonisation of saturated fats.
 
no mention of who sponsored that research
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Here you go, who did you suspect ?

"Dr. Vlassara's laboratory has been under the support of a National Institute on Aging MERIT grant, as well as grants from the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases, and the National Institute of Research Resources"
There's a full version of the press release here
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 082012.php
There is a link on the press release to a website .Dr Vlassara is coauthor /publisher of this site and a book The AGE-Less Way How to Escape America's Over-Eating Epidemic
This website is linked to the Mount Sinai hospital where they work.Interestingly their declarations of payments show that they appear to receive no royalties from the book .
(nefarious or perhaps altruistic or some deep conspiracy... whatever, the existence of the book and website are clearly documented)
You can check out their recent declaration of interests.
http://www.mssm.edu/profiles/helen-vlassara
She has received royalty payments from a firm that sells laboratory assays.

Some of the interpretation comes from previous research. She's being doing this research for 30 years and has published a lot of papers.
I found a telegraph report from 2007 which mentions some of her research on cooking methods of food /ages/inflamation in people with T2
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... peril.html
 
phoenix » 1 minute ago

paul_c wrote
no mention of who sponsored that research
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Here you go, who did you suspect ?
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Don't you think that's a legitimate question ?

After studying Sociology at University I think that's a fundamental question we should always be asking. All of the time.
Who ? Where ? What ? Why ?

These are very useful questions to ask.

Geoff
 
I agree, it is a valid question. My remark was off the cuff and as a result of an earlier comment made on another post. I apologise for being cynical.
 
Never read the daily fail anyway

The next headliner. Will say grilling your food will make you skinny

Pehaps
 
Are they talking about "under the grill" or grilling on a barbeque or griddle? <The American sense of "grilling".
 
Their have been several studies done on meat consumption. As a meat eater, it troubles me but a lot of the research is compelling and in many ways logical with regards to our 'modern' food chain. The first issue is cooking. It appears that meats cooked at high temperatures, that is over 400dgF have a change of characteristic in the make up of the fat. Second is the meat itself. Modern methods of raising livestock include increasing amounts of growth hormones and antibiotics. Neither of which do our bodies any good. The antibiotics themselves help to destroy the natural biotic make up of our gut which in turn diminishes the functioning of many of our immune systems. Many people say that the problem is not the consumption of meat that is the problem and as such a Palio type diet is not in issue. The real problem is the feeding, raising, distribution and preparation that causes problems. Unfortunately you must have the monetary where-with-all to address this by purchasing Organic and grain fed produce. Also keep in mind that most meat is fed the very same high glycemic diets we are unable to eat for ourselves.... quite a conundrum

As for the raise in insulin resistance, I haven't read that anywhere but I did read a short lived study on the 'insulin index'. It states that some foods will cause a rise insulin in the blood stream without the increase in blood sugar. One of the culprits was supposedly meats. As I said, it was a short term study and no followup was ever done.

Kenny :wave:
 
I wouldn't be bothered myself about what grilled meat does to mice. They are NOT CARNIVORES! GIVE then fruits, nuts and seeds and see how they get on.
Hana
 
KennyS said:
Their have been several studies done on meat consumption. As a meat eater, it troubles me but a lot of the research is compelling and in many ways logical with regards to our 'modern' food chain. The first issue is cooking. It appears that meats cooked at high temperatures, that is over 400dgF have a change of characteristic in the make up of the fat. Second is the meat itself. Modern methods of raising livestock include increasing amounts of growth hormones and antibiotics. Neither of which do our bodies any good. The antibiotics themselves help to destroy the natural biotic make up of our gut which in turn diminishes the functioning of many of our immune systems. Many people say that the problem is not the consumption of meat that is the problem and as such a Palio type diet is not in issue. The real problem is the feeding, raising, distribution and preparation that causes problems. Unfortunately you must have the monetary where-with-all to address this by purchasing Organic and grain fed produce. Also keep in mind that most meat is fed the very same high glycemic diets we are unable to eat for ourselves.... quite a conundrum

Kenny :wave:
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I'm not sure that I agree that the research is compelling - almost all of the "Red Meat causes cancer stuff" in epidemiological data mining, which is useful for forming a hypothesis, but not for drawing conclusions about whether something is good or bad:
http://garytaubes.com/2012/03/science-p ... -and-meat/
http://lewrockwell.com/sisson/sisson135.html
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/author/admin/page/5/
etc, etc.

I agree that there are problems with meat quality, and processing (and possibly cooking). You just have to do your best to source your meat from good providers.

I try to avoid grain fed meat wherever possible (apart from the odd bit of chicken here and there). However, eating grain fed cheap meat is almost certainly much better than replacing it with refined carbohydrates. I'd rather eat an animal that has ingested grains on my behalf, than eat them myself.
 
Forgive me if i have missed the point here but:

Mice are not carnivores. So why do they test this on mice? wouldnt any meat or component of meat have a harmful effect on carnivores?

Have they tried testing grass-diets on Wolves and humans to see if we are harmed by it?

I dont see the sense in this study at all :crazy:
 
librarising said:
phoenix » 1 minute ago

paul_c wrote
no mention of who sponsored that research
Click to expand...

Here you go, who did you suspect ?
Click to expand...

Don't you think that's a legitimate question ?

After studying Sociology at University I think that's a fundamental question we should always be asking. All of the time.
Who ? Where ? What ? Why ?

These are very useful questions to ask.

Geoff
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I bet the research was sponsored by the people who make TEFLON coated frying pans! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
I wouln't put ANY credence on dietary research which involves going right away from the animal's natural diet.As posted elsewhere in this thread, how about grass fed wolves etc? Although I believe that someone makes a vegetarian food for dogs. Mine I think prefer meat, although they do eat veggies! I keep them off grains though. A number of my doggy friends [I iused to breed and show Italian greyhounds!} have found their pets not to do well on dog foods high in grains.
I have kept mice, but I fed them standard mouse food. My cats wouldn't thank anyone for veggies. They like a nearly pure meat diet.
Feeding anything a diet, to which it is not adapted is DAFT and I doubt if any results from such work are actually helpful to anyone except the money men.
Hana
 
borofergie said:
KennyS said:
.... Unfortunately you must have the monetary where-with-all to address this by purchasing Organic and grain fed produce. Also keep in mind that most meat is fed the very same high glycemic diets we are unable to eat for ourselves.... quite a conundrum

Kenny :wave:
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.....I try to avoid grain fed meat wherever possible (apart from the odd bit of chicken here and there). However, eating grain fed cheap meat is almost certainly much better than replacing it with refined carbohydrates. I'd rather eat an animal that has ingested grains on my behalf, than eat them myself.
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My mistake..... meant to say grass fed.... certainly not grain fed.

Kenny
 
hanadr said:
I wouldn't be bothered myself about what grilled meat does to mice. They are NOT CARNIVORES! GIVE then fruits, nuts and seeds and see how they get on.
Hana
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Hana your 100% dry Czech humour and common sense bring out my own Semi Polaka type humour. And I say give the mice some cheese and be done with it. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I had a friend and neighbour years ago who was Czech and also named Hana - you remind me so much of her. :)
 
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