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Arrested for drunk and disorderly

Discussion in 'Ask A Question' started by s10vsb, Apr 23, 2013.

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  1. Robinredbreast

    Robinredbreast Type 1 · Oracle

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    NO, NOT everyone is casting the OP in the worse possible light, a vast majority of people have, but not ALL.

    Just wanted to make that a bit clearer. People in glass houses etc........... :roll:

    Just to add, if that was me, I personally wouldn't post the thread, I think I would be too embarrassed and ashamed at my behaviour, (I'm probably a lot older that the OP) but that doesn't put the diabetes problem on the back burner :problem:

    All the best RRB :)
     
  2. izzzi

    izzzi Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    s10vsb needs to get her facts in order,and then she may get a little respect.
    By the way,when the Sargent called to see you, was there a £80.00p refund and a full Apology from the Durham Constabulary.

    Sorry if I may have got my info wrong from a busy police friend.

    Roy. :)
     
  3. Mr Happy

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    AmBrenan, what has the list of hypo signs in relation to low blood sugars have to do with this instance? She said her sugars were 21!

    I may be one deemed to be giving her short shrift but I've clearly stated that the police may have been partly at fault. However, the opening poster seems to think herself blameless, give inaccurate information and in my view tell blatant lies. I do not wish somebody like this to be seen as representative of our sugar avoiding collective...



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  4. Finzi

    Finzi · Well-Known Member

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    I swore I wasn't going to get involved again lol....

    If you want to know what the OP is saying, you have to read her posts. She did not say she was having a hypo. She said she didn't *know* what her sugars were, because they refused to let her test. When, several hours later, they finally tested her, she was high. They then tried to get her to take insulin but she was reluctant to do that because they refused to allow her to keep her emergency dextrose, and knowing her own body, she knew that she was *at risk* of a hypo following the combination of alcohol and Lantus. That is why she would keep bottles of lucozade by her bed in such a situation. The police refused to tell her whether she would be allowed to have the dextrose or if so, when.

    It really isn't that complicated and I'm not sure why so many posters are finding it so. She is not saying she WAS having a hypo, she was saying she was at risk of one. As regards the police, they had no way of knowing what her sugars were, because they refused to let her check them. All they saw was somebody behaving very irrationally. Somebody who they *knew* was diabetic and who was begging them to be allowed access to her testing equipment. It is extremely poor management of the situation to lock her up without medical attention for several hours when the situation was easily remedied (check her blood or allow her to do so).

    And I love bananas but can't have them any more ;)


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  5. Mr Happy

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    I understand the situation perfectly but question why people are suggesting there may be confusion between d&d and hypo when this clearly wasn't the case.

    I would also have some sympathy with her if her actions had been somewhat more reasonable. If the police had acted in all the ways suggested without need then she'd have a pretty good case. Given that she initially refused to listen to them, got arrested, fell out of the van and was abusive, eratic and uncooperative will have shaped the way they behaved towards her.

    Also, i do question her 'duty of care' towards herself which seems much more concerning than the actions of the police!

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  6. Thundercat

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    "There are 3 sides to every story - your side, my side and the truth" op has her truth and will not be swayed. The police will have their version. What really happened? We'll never know. I am curious to know when she last checked bs before arrest. I know bs can drop quickly after alcohol (usually after a few hours following an initial spike) but hers were apparantly rising. As I say, just curious. No idea why I'm still on this thread - I'm annoying myself by posting! Also love bananas but they don't love me back:cry:

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  7. s10vsb

    s10vsb · Well-Known Member

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  8. s10vsb

    s10vsb · Well-Known Member

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    After being IDDM for 17 years, what problems do I have with my health due to being diabetic? How many times have I been taken to hospital due to anything caused by diabetes? If I'm such a badly educated diabetic what's HBa1C?
     
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    They arrested me when it could've been avoided by letting me make a phone call...agreed by the sergeant...once again, non of you on this site were witnesses so it's once again, my word against all of you who've commented. I couldn't believe myself that non of the police in the cells knew the basics about diabetes, I thought he was taking the 'mickey'...that's why I spent so long talking about it. I am also a first aider at work....are you saying that he knew about diabetes but played 'dumb'. I told him they needed monitors so they wouldn't have to waste police time, money and the risk of somebody's life who REALLY needed a Dr such as stroke/heart attack...a monitor was all it took.
     
  11. Mr Happy

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    You obviously lost self control as you were by definition disorderly and admitted to shouting yourself horse whilst kicking a door. The police wont tell me that you weren't abusive because they are unable to discuss ut, just like the Sergeant wouldnt discuss staff discipline with you (if there were indeed a case).

    Why not have two monitors?

    Respect doesnt have to be earned especially by people charged with upholding the law. Oh and humility is different from humanity.

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  12. Embabe25

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    Here's an idea. If your sugar drops so much when you drink why don't you just not drink! Surely you can have a good time sober.

    Or lower the amount of lantus you take if you want to drink.

    When you asked what HbA1C was, were you actually asking?

    When you say you've had diabetes for 17 years have you had it from birth?




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  13. s10vsb

    s10vsb · Well-Known Member

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  14. Mr Happy

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    So you were arrested for drunk and disorderly without being disorderly? You fell out of the van in an orderly manner and failed to follow instructions? I presume your shouting and kicking the door was simply the hokey cokey gone wrong?

    I'm not sure what good doing your sugars would do when youve admitted theyre ridiculously erratic anyway. Their 'duty of care' would mean they would need to call the doctor anyway.

    It would be good if the police had monitors but they also lack staff, cells, equipment etc. It would have been much better if you had just behaved like an adult rather than engage in this pointless task!

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  15. Thundercat

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    Are you asking what your HbA1C is? What mine is? Or what the test is? For your own sake a second monitor is a smart idea. Manufacturers provided them for free.

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  16. Mr Happy

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    I phoned my doctors on Tuesday last week, asked to speak to a diabetic nurse. Told her i eeded a second monitor and it was on the reception desk 10 minutes later...

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  17. weeezer

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    Yep I think police stations should have bg meters. After all they are 'provided free'. Would save having to get a doc out to do it, which prob costs quite a bit. Then appropriate action could be taken, wouldn't take much to write up a procedure to follow.

    I have been out many times without a meter, in fact, without insulin...knowing my bg was fine before leaving, knowing I would be having a drink and knowing I had dextrose on me. Does this make me irresponsible? No. (In my opinion) Does it make me an uncontrolled diabetic? No. So why presume the OP is?

    Presumably to be taken in under the 'drunk & disorderly' premise one could be drunk OR disorderly? I love the vision that has been conjured up of an out of control staggering about woman, that didnt come across to me. Maybe I read the posts wrong, but don't think so...in fact I read them several times.

    I can't help sticking up for the poor girl, she is being attacked and picked up on every point, and completely misunderstood in my opinion.

    The point she has been trying to make all along is valid & important I think.


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  18. Embabe25

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    Ok so her point is that she didn't have her bs taken immediately. We get that.

    Why she said at first was he was arrested for drunk and disorderly/ breach of the peace whatever it's called where you live. You need to be pretty far gone to get yourself arrested! In the process of being arrested she managed to struggle enough to get bruised and lose her voice!

    These are the actions of someone who has no control over themselves. Her being diabetic is now a moot point. She behaved atrociously.

    If the police force in Durham are now going to implement on the spot bs testing then maybe some good has come of her experience.

    I have no sympathy for someone who can't handle their drink or are too arrogant to do a they are told by the police. And it seems I'm not alone. OP sounds very young and seems to not understand the danger she is putting herself in.




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