Bad broccoli?

[Swiggy]

My fbg at 6:15 was 9.2 this morning and I started the day with a coffee and 30ml double cream.
Tested again at 10:15 before eating 300g broccoli and 30g butter. I boiled the broccoli in plain water and added no seasoning. Level at this point was 9.7 so it had gone up despite the coffee and cream.
When I tested again at 12:10 it was 11.7! I was shocked. Washed hands again and retested using another finger and 11.5.
Should I put broccoli on my list of food to avoid?

 

[Bluetit1802]

I suspect this was your liver misbehaving and pushing glucose in to your blood stream. I can't see that just broccoli and butter would cause a rise of 2mmol/l at 2 hours.

 

[ME_Valentijn]

As a lifelong hater, all broccoli is bad broccoli as far as I'm concerned, and everyone should always avoid it But it shouldn't be capable of raising your blood sugar like that.

You started off fairly high at 9.2 fasting, then went up to 11.7. Is it possible it was just the morning liver dump continuing to dump for a while?

I'd recommend granting the broccoli a reprieve, and maybe giving it a 2nd chance at a different time of day.

 

[asparagusp]

Goodness! 9.2 is high for fasting. Normal level 4-7. The coffee and cream worked ie, 0.5 increase to 9.7 was fine. The broccoli and butter increase to 11.7 was only an increase of 2.0 so not too bad. The problem was your fasting reading. Try the broccoli again at around the same time on a lower fasting reading. Also if you eat it later in the day, you will do even better! I wouldn't worry about it!

 

[azure]

I'm going with @Bluetit1802 and guessing this is a rise due to a liver dump.

I wouldn't blame the broccoli. You could try experimenting with various breakfasts at various times and see if you can work out what suits you best. Eating earlier? More protein/carbs?

 

[Bluetit1802]

I certainly wouldn't add more carbs in the morning.

Type 2s (most of them) have insulin resistance, and this is generally far more prevalent earlier in the day. The resistance drops a bit as the day progresses. It makes sense to me to have zero carbs as far as possible early morning if you are insulin resistant. Far better to have fat and a little protein. Maybe some cheese with your coffee and cream? I find a large dollop of cream in my coffee as soon as I get up stops any liver dump in its tracks. You may need a bit more than a big dollop of cream, which is why I suggested adding cheese.

If you can stop the liver dump you will have a better chance of seeing better levels after something like a broccoli breakfast.

 

[Freema]

My fbg at 6:15 was 9.2 this morning and I started the day with a coffee and 30ml double cream.
Tested again at 10:15 before eating 300g broccoli and 30g butter. I boiled the broccoli in plain water and added no seasoning. Level at this point was 9.7 so it had gone up despite the coffee and cream.
When I tested again at 12:10 it was 11.7! I was shocked. Washed hands again and retested using another finger and 11.5.
Should I put broccoli on my list of food to avoid?

how many calories do you eat in a day in total... if you eat very very little, the liver in some cases take over and produce glucose instead of eaten glucose from ones eaten proteins..not only in the dawn phenomenon. if one do not eat enough the body can sometimes break down protein from ones tissue and muscles instead... so if you are on a like 700 calorie diet in total that can maybe be happening... it doen´t happen to all people but some with servere anorexia or on extreme low banting calorie levels can experience that.

but maybe you are not at all in that league then look away from this comment right away...
but the lower the better is not always a fact

could also be excess protein from yesterday being transformed into glucose.

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/43067167.php
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/DietMakeupCalc.php

 

[Kristin251]

That much broccoli would raise me at least that much especially in the morning. I wish it weren't so as I adore broccoli and could eat it everyday. I now eat some only occasionally and small portions. However before insulin it had to go on the 'dont eat' list.

With me, the higher I start the higher and faster I go up.

300 g is 21 carbs!! That's all I eat in a day. That would never work for me at bf.

I agree to try to find a lower carb bf. Avocado??? ( and celery, not chips)

 

[Bluetit1802]

That much broccoli would raise me at least that much especially in the morning. I wish it weren't so as I adore broccoli and could eat it everyday. I now eat some only occasionally and small portions. However before insulin it had to go on the 'dont eat' list.

With me, the higher I start the higher and faster I go up.

300 g is 21 carbs!! That's all I eat in a day. That would never work for me at bf.

I agree to try to find a lower carb bf. Avocado??? ( and celery, not chips)

Can you tell me where you get 21g carbs from? My book says around 3g. ie less than avocado!

 

[BrianTheElder]

Can you tell me where you get 21g carbs from? My book says around 3g. ie less than avocado!

I agree, 7g carbs/100g broccoli from my spreadsheet.

 

[Bluetit1802]

I agree, 7g carbs/100g broccoli from my spreadsheet.

But where did you get that from before you put it on your spread sheet?

Carbs & Cals (UK) says
1g carbs per 120g.

 

[Bluetit1802]

and the Tesco websites

http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=257231200

Have you been looking at American websites where the fibre is included?

Sainsbury's loose broccoli is higher in carbs! Maybe it depends on where it is grown.

http://www.sainsburys.co.uk/webapp/...http:gb/groceries/sainsburys-broccoli-(loose)

 

[BrianTheElder]

But where did you get that from before you put it on your spread sheet?

Carbs & Cals (UK) says
1g carbs per 120g.

TBH, I can't remember, but most of my info comes from the labels on the supermarket wrappers, I imagine this one was a M&S pack. I find the supermarket wrappers are very accurate, I always check their sums add up from calories per nutrient and I also check most of my entries with Fat Secret. I just checked Fat Secret and it says 6.64g.

 

[Kristin251]

www.calorieking.com.

It won't copy and paste for some reason.
Subtracting fiber does not work for me. And I too steam mine and I think the softer it is the less fiber and the higher I go. That's just how my body works.
Avocado has loads of fiber and fat so keeps things lower and slower for me.

 

[Kristin251]

My bag says 4 g per 85g.
It doesn't really matter as it's one of those foods that spike me. I've read mushrooms spike some people but not me. Individuality....

I just checked fat secret and it says 7 per 100g serving. The OP had 300 g right?

 

[BrianTheElder]

It is a bit disconcerting to see the wide variation. Perhaps it depends how much of the stalk you take into account. I have 2.6g for tenderstem broccoli, which is what we usually eat.

 

[Kristin251]

It is a bit disconcerting to see the wide variation. Perhaps it depends how much of the stalk you take into account. I have 2.6g for tenderstem broccoli, which is what we usually eat.

I completely agree! There was a thread on walnuts and the variation.

Weight is weight. However I'm sure there's much more fiber in the stem. I just like the floret part.

 

[Bluetit1802]

TBH, I can't remember, but most of my info comes from the labels on the supermarket wrappers, I imagine this one was a M&S pack. I find the supermarket wrappers are very accurate, I always check their sums add up from calories per nutrient and I also check most of my entries with Fat Secret. I just checked Fat Secret and it says 6.64g.

The Fat Secret one includes fibre of 2.6g, which you have to deduct, making it around 4g.

And look at the Tesco and Sainsbury variation (links above).

The answer is ... no-one knows! I suspect it all depends on where it is grown and the growing methods.

 

[Freema]

it cant be the broccoli raising the blood glucose , which is why I point in another direction just as a suggestion.

 

[Swiggy]

how many calories do you eat in a day in total... if you eat very very little, the liver in some cases take over and produce glucose instead of eaten glucose from ones eaten proteins..not only in the dawn phenomenon. if one do not eat enough the body can sometimes break down protein from ones tissue and muscles instead... so if you are on a like 700 calorie diet in total that can maybe be happening... it doen´t happen to all people but some with servere anorexia or on extreme low banting calorie levels can experience that.

but maybe you are not at all in that league then look away from this comment right away...
but the lower the better is not always a fact

could also be excess protein from yesterday being transformed into glucose.

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/43067167.php
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/DietMakeupCalc.php

This made me smile Freema, I am definitely not eating too few calories. Yesterday I had an omelette (2 eggs) with cheese and chorizo for breakfast and after 2 hrs level was lower than when I started. I had cottage cheese at around 4pm and then for dinner I sautéed some leeks in butter and added 100g full fat soft cheese and 100g smoked salmon. I have been trying to restrict carbs and was focusing on trying to get my numbers down rather than looking at calories. It doesn't seem to be working so far but it is very early days.