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Bariatric surgery has the highest rate of remission compared to non-surgical treatments.

6 years ago when that article was written maybe?

Strangely most bariatric surgeons still make this claim.. almost as if their jobs depended on it.
 
Interesting reading, however unless I’m missing something, no where does it say exactly what ‘non surgical treatments’ were?
 
I had two friends who got bariatric surgery on the NHS, both of whom lost loads of weight but have put much of the weight back on and one of whom has additional health issues caused by nutritional deficiencies.
I'm sure it may work for some, but not always a long term solution.
 
TriciaWs said:
I had two friends who got bariatric surgery on the NHS, both of whom lost loads of weight but have put much of the weight back on and one of whom has additional health issues caused by nutritional deficiencies.
I'm sure it may work for some, but not always a long term solution.
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I've heard the same.
But tried the low carb route and I was always hungry no matter how fatty the meal.
 
Rachox said:
Interesting reading, however unless I’m missing something, no where does it say exactly what ‘non surgical treatments’ were?
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Well I'm assuming WW or SW or ND. However in our success stories we hv all 3 examples of diabetes remission hba1c. I guess finding what suits our body is the best method.
 
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Virta and other groups are showing increasing success on remission sans Bariatric surgery...using intervention that the medical community has been blinded to and totally dismissive of for a few good decades.
https://www.virtahealth.com/research

Had the medical community be more inclusive to provide options that works, the T2D pandemic would have been more manageable...
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I didn't bother to read the link, but the idea that Bariatric Surgery is best has been debunked in videos by a Bariatric Surgeon! He says that it works well, but only a high % of success if measured for 2yrs maximum. He treats thousands of morbidly Obese and almost always advises a workable fasting/dietary approach.
I posted about this in the first post in my 'Carbohydrates as an Addiction' thread.

Here is what I said:
Fantastic Video of Dr Robert Cywes giving a surgeon's view of Carbs, Obesity and Diabetes:

He says lots of great things and has lots of tips, my only gripe is that he assumes all Type Diabetics are overweight - since it is only those that he ever sees.

Dr. Robert Cywes is an expert at weight loss surgeries. But if it were up to him, he might not do any of them. His first step is always to help his patients break their addiction to carbohydrates. He still uses surgery in the right situation, but he is the first to admit that surgery without addressing the underlying carbohydrate problem is destined to fail.

His focus on emotional attachment, finding an alternative to meet our emotional needs, and whole lifestyle intervention is a refreshing break from the “just have this surgery and everything gets better” approach. If you or a loved one is thinking about bariatric surgery or struggling with weight loss, this episode is for you.
 
ickihun said:
I've heard the same.
But tried the low carb route and I was always hungry no matter how fatty the meal.
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I am really surprised about this, since with LCHF there need be no calorific restriction to start with and as your stomach gets used to denser calorie food it feels full sooner as time goes on. Thus most achieve an eventual (after a couple of weeks) reduction in Calories without the need to feel hungry.

But I know that some don't like the higher Protein and Higher Fat foods used in such a lifestyle.

I started my LCHF not by counting Carbs, but just by giving up Bananas, and other high sugar fruit (but still eating Apples at that stage), plus all added sugars and starches (but still eating Carrots and Beetroot at that stage) . And adding in boiled eggs and cheese , which were almost entirely missing from my prior Doctor advised High Carb Low Fat diet.
 
ickihun said:
http://www.bariatricnews.net/?q=node/1189

Well I am surprised! You?
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Not surprised given that the non surgical methods are limited to ineffective drugs or calorie restriction. Are there any others?
Bariatric surgery works before the weight loss occurs because it strips out liver fat pdq. Fasting would be the non surgical alternative OR a low carb diet however if people urgently need remission, have very stubborn insulin resistance of long duration or are simply carbohydrate-addicted (a sub clinical eating disorder?) then it offers a remission but carries risks and the surgeon's work can be undone if underlying psychological issues caused the weight gain aren't resolved....
The bariatric surgeon Robert Cywes (he did a podcast with the Fat Emporer) has a radical take on this!
https://thefatemperor.com/ep35-beating-food-addiction-with-expert-robert-cywes-md-phd/
 
This paragraph is form the DietDoctor website in an article talking about Alcohol and weight loss, diabetes etc. But it is very well suited to this thread:-
Even if you are able to successfully stop one addiction, addiction transfer, also called addiction-interaction disorder, is a well known phenomenon. Jonsson notes that many sugar addicts can become alcoholics. Likewise, alcoholics who quit drinking often turn to sugar in an attempt to control cravings. Studies show that patients undergoing bariatric surgery, who can no longer overeat, have a 20 % higher rate of post operative problems with alcohol dependence.

Surgery for Obesity and Related Diseases: Alcohol and other substance use after bariatric surgery: prospective evidence from a U.S. multicenter cohort study

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How are you doing @ickihun I read on another thread that you have lost 3 stones? That's awesome and way better than I did with LCHF. :)
 
zand said:
How are you doing @ickihun I read on another thread that you have lost 3 stones? That's awesome and way better than I did with LCHF. :)
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Yes I'm the lowest I hv been since any pregnancies. I'm tolerating 1x 500mg original Metformin... so far. Hence less insulin again. Specialist will be delighted. He's wrote not ruling out a future remission. My recent hba1c was 53 but on insulin and now metformin. Metformin helps me lose 2st normally so if I lose 5st I will be totally chuffed. I'm aiming for 15½st and new specialist knows because that's what a professor at St.Thomas's London agreed my weight should be considering my medical conditions. I was walking unaided in fact jogging at 15½st as well as swimming mainly underwater.
The whole experience has been without any hiccups and no hernias before or after. My meds hv not decreased except for insulin. Not sure how much levothyroxine is being absorbed currently though.
 
NicoleC1971 said:
Not surprised given that the non surgical methods are limited to ineffective drugs or calorie restriction. Are there any others?
Bariatric surgery works before the weight loss occurs because it strips out liver fat pdq. Fasting would be the non surgical alternative OR a low carb diet however if people urgently need remission, have very stubborn insulin resistance of long duration or are simply carbohydrate-addicted (a sub clinical eating disorder?) then it offers a remission but carries risks and the surgeon's work can be undone if underlying psychological issues caused the weight gain aren't resolved....
The bariatric surgeon Robert Cywes (he did a podcast with the Fat Emporer) has a radical take on this!
https://thefatemperor.com/ep35-beating-food-addiction-with-expert-robert-cywes-md-phd/
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Liver shrinking diet is full of carbs.
On lchf gave me excellent liver enzyme output but scan still revealed fatty liver no gallstones or value issues.

My only way of losing weight is bgs 4-7 and low carb, low fat (no cheese or nuts) and low calorie. Only bariatric surgery could assist me on that.
Hence I'm losing 1kg a week on average.
My body is slower to react now, now I'm no longer a teenager or in my 20s. (or 30s).
If I'd had this op sooner I may hv ran out of options by the time I hit 48. My journey has had huge bumps in it but at least I had this option to give myself another 10yrs of life.
So i took it when I felt I was going to die anyway. (I'd never felt like that before.)
 
Specialist letter today mentions knowledge I need and advice on hitting remission. So my 2 recent shared appointment holders believe I can hit remission (without meds), due to Roux-en-y operation.
Me too, hence why it was so important I had Roux-en-y not sleeve or loop.
Roux-en-y can NOW be reversed I was informed in hospital.
So
I might get it reversed if I need to in the far future.... we'll see.
 
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