Bashing head against the wall now !!!!!!

[ladybird64]

Enclave, it's obvious this horrible female has really made you feel low. With the past doctor experiences, it's a double kick in the teeth - but please don't let her bring you down. I know it may seem pointless feeding this info back to the practice manager, but have a think about it - it can even be done by phone.

Your wife sounds like a supportive lady, so maybe she can do this for you. I totally understand that you want to turn your back on the lot of them, I did the same. But this is your wellbeing, and it's your right to be treated in a respectful manner, without bullying or condescension - even if she disagrees with how you manage your diabetes. You have achieved great results despite, not with, her advice and she has no right to speak to patients in the way she has. I would make a complaint. But you must do what's right for you.

 

[wolfie11969]

I was insulted by a GP in my practice who happened to be my named GP. I asked him for an apology and he refused so I reported it, by phone, to the practice manager. She quickly saw there was an issue and asked what I wanted her to do. I informed her I wanted that GP taken off as my named GP and I would see another in the surgery. She was very accomodating and followed my wishes through, she even got me a written 'apology' from the GP in question. I would, if u have the impetus, to speak to ur practice manager and see what they can do for u. I know it's hard but we all need a GP practice incase we get ill. I would tell this practice manager that u are perfectly capable of looking after ur own diabetic health and then hope that the evil witch who was so rude to u retires leaving a place open for someone more accomodating

tc

 

[Oldvatr]

I was too angry to say anything at the time ... This was the same nurse that told me to drink sugary drinks and eat biscuits if I felt ill ....grrrrrrrr

I remember you posting this one. Same Nurse???? I think some eduction is needed there.

Firstly, I believe you have a legal right to refuse treatment. The doctor can only enforce medication by taking this right away in a court of law, which sounds like it would fail due to your current results (apart from the BP ???) Unlikely to go that way anyway, but GP may side with Nursie and mark your card as a belligerent. Just take a deep breath and count under your breath.

I was impressed with your attainments before, and see no reason why you should change a course of care that is obviously working for you. Most of us here have this friction between what is taught to our medical profession,and what current research or our results suggests. i am lucky in that my team seem quite open to me using my body as a walking laboratory. As Eric Burdon sang Its my life and I will do what I want.

Remember, you probably know more about your condition than the GP and the nurse put together. You are your own Specialist, and since you post regularly in the forum for others, you are also something of a consultant.

 

[Lamont D]

@Enclave
How sorry I am to hear about your appointment with the old witch! She is so last century!
You have done great by getting your bloods in control and your health as good as you can, coming off medication is so great and you need congratulations on that as well!

As others have said you can complain as I did about various aspects of my care in the past.
I like you didn't get an apology, but every time I see my GP or my dsn, I get my own back by saying, I told you so and now they have recognised how good a low carb lifestyle is good for diabetics. They recommend it now as I have witnessed this with my wife and my daughter, and my daughter in law!

Unfortunately we need surgeries and a named doctor and more of their workload is being pushed on to those who haven't had sufficient training in blood glucose disorders.

This fossil will go soon, so I would bide my time and keep seeing the heart nurse.

Great post by @AndBreathe.

 

[Enclave]

Well thank you all for the understanding and support .... In the doghouse with the wife .... I went out and purchased an apple pie. It's was an own brand from a supermarket ... So when I got home I made a pot of tea .. Cup of hot water for the wife .. She cannot drink tea .. And a big slice of apple pie ..with cream ... And a almond tart (small) left over from my birthday ... Tested 2 hrs after 5.6 just before eating it was 5.2 ... So why am I in the dog house .. Well I should have just purchased cooking apples and the wife would have made me an apple pie

 

[Enclave]

I remember you posting this one. Same Nurse???? I think some eduction is needed there.

Firstly, I believe you have a legal right to refuse treatment. The doctor can only enforce medication by taking this right away in a court of law, which sounds like it would fail due to your current results (apart from the BP ???) Unlikely to go that way anyway, but GP may side with Nursie and mark your card as a belligerent. Just take a deep breath and count under your breath.

I was impressed with your attainments before, and see no reason why you should change a course of care that is obviously working for you. Most of us here have this friction between what is taught to our medical profession,and what current research or our results suggests. i am lucky in that my team seem quite open to me using my body as a walking laboratory. As Eric Burdon sang Its my life and I will do what I want.

Remember, you probably know more about your condition than the GP and the nurse put together. You are your own Specialist, and since you post regularly in the forum for others, you are also something of a consultant.

My BP was up only due to her .. With my heart nurse it's always normal .. The wife took it later that evening and again it was in the normal range ....
I can only think of Eric Burdon singing ... We got to get out of this place ... If it's the last thing we ever do

 

[Oldvatr]

My BP was up only due to her .. With my heart nurse it's always normal .. The wife took it later that evening and again it was in the normal range ....
I can only think of Eric Burdon singing ... We got to get out of this place ... If it's the last thing we ever do

Diffferent song I believe. Glad BP is not an issue, but its down in your record as being so. I wish I could train my OH to bake me a cake or two. (LC variety of course!)

 

[donnellysdogs]

Well done Enclave on your achievements Enclave... Shame about your nurses thought processes though..
I have a battle of complaint on with a hospital at the moment and boy, its not easy to complain to the NHS.....
I sometimes think is it worth it... But I know they'll be others that will get the dreadful treatment that I did and wouldn't have a clue that our hospital totally fails NICE guidelines etc... Other people aren't aware and still believe GP's, nurses etc are Gods!!

It isn't everybodies cup of tea to put in a complaint so don't blame you for just having a rant on forum!!

 

[AndBreathe]

I really do appreciate the time you have taken in your reply,
I am 'unofficially' in remission with my T2 .. as my DBN is adamant no one with diabetes can ever go into remission !!!! I am just a deluded fool and will NEVER be able to live a 'normal life' again !!! She also declared that the Newcastle diet was a load of rubbish and LCHF will quickly kill me .. yes nice lady o yes and i am tagged by her as non compliant as I test my own bs !!

I stay with this Drs because the heart nurse is brilliant ... she can see the change in my health and is very supportive.
I tried to report a Dr in this surgery some years ago when my legs became very swollen and I need help// he told me to get a hobby and pushed me out the door ... When I tried to report this I was told I have no witnesses .. so that told me where I stand in this Drs . ..

I must just be one of these people with doormat stamped on their forehead ... As other Drs have ignored my heart attacks, unstable angina and I also suffered a few TIAs that were also brushed off as stress until I found a Dr that listened to me. Sadly that Dr is 600 miles away now !!!

I think as the wife says .. I have no Drs now .. will see my heart nurse .. but will not bother with any of the rest ..
My life is to short to take on the system .. I am able to self fund my testing and can control with diet .. If this stopped working I will have to find a different Drs, as the one I have will be overjoyed at my downfall .. so would not go to them.

Thank you again for the advice. The wife is good at the unemotional and hard-hitting letters ... but as I said it got no where last time so will not waste her time going through that again/

Enclave - I would suggest you need to reset your default setting with this practise. You say you won't leave, because you rate your heart nurse, and that's great, but you are endorsing one person and rejecting a whole bunch of others.

That they don't "get" LCHF or recognise your self proclaimed needs to be treated as valuable knowledge, and used to your advantage.

From time-to-time, unfortunately, we all need to access healthcare. Your GP and the support services at your practise are your gateway to the wider healthcare system, unless you intend to pay a wholly private, non-NHS GP for consultations fr referral. There are plenty private GPs around, but they aren't cheap, the following that up with the private Consultant's fees and tests, and that adds up to a fair bit of pocket money! You need to be able to have a civil dialogue and negotiate with your gateway providers, even if you want minimal interactions with them themselves. The time to be be repairing burnt bridges isn't the time you need a Consultation for something outwith a GP remit.

We all think it won't happen to us, but these things crop up when we're least expecting them, and often have financial implications of their own - whether it be the passive costs of attending appointments (fuel and hospital parking, for example) or loss of income for yourself or anyone who goes with you.

I would urge you to build yourselves a strategy for helping them tick their boxes.

As for your diabetic nurse; she's probably towing the practise party line. If you have taken yourself off Metformin, without any discussion (I said discussion, not permission) she will see that as a non-compliance. That she doesn't know of your agreement with your heart nurse and the statin is very unfortunate, but a change to medication, advised by your heart nurse, will be recorded on your notes, and I assume it has been removed from your repeat prescriptions? Could you have urged her to review your notes, and maybe help her out by guestimating when it probably might have been recorded?

Have you considered that your diabetic nurse may be looking at you and is genuinely worried for your health? Before her, she may consider, she sees a patient, diagnosed with T2 diabetes and with a history of CV disease, who is not taking his diabetes medication, and furthermore isn't taking his statin either, and he's combative when she's trying to do her job. It's just a thought.

You could consider still writing to your GP informing him of the of the misunderstanding surrounding your statin and ask him to confirm this is documented clearly in your notes, and that he further confi,rms to you, in writing that she has been informed of this position. If you don't try to make a difference, your interactions will always be thus. To be honest I find it's easier to get things done when these people think you're charming. I don't always feel it, but an appointment isn't a lifetime.

I'm not the most patient, or tolerant of people when my hackles are raised, and poor old MrB sometimes gets the fall out, but a developed charm offensive can pay dividends sometimes, in so many areas.

Good luck with it all.

 

[Oldvatr]

I second what AndBreathe has advised. Ask your GP to confirm that the decision to change medication was recorded properly in your notes. By the freedom of information Acf you should be able to view your medical notes, provided you make a request in writing, and you also have the right to add annotaions of your own where you disagree with any entries, but you do not have the right to delete or obscure anything therein. Append is ok, delete is not..

Again, I also second the comments made regarding doing things with charm. It worked wonders for me, and has enabled me to negotiate my care plan so that I get support where I need it. Confrontation get one excluded, as some have found even on this forum. Softlee Softlee catchee monkey....

 

[Enclave]

Enclave - I would suggest you need to reset your default setting with this practise. You say you won't leave, because you rate your heart nurse, and that's great, but you are endorsing one person and rejecting a whole bunch of others.

That they don't "get" LCHF or recognise your self proclaimed needs to be treated as valuable knowledge, and used to your advantage.

From time-to-time, unfortunately, we all need to access healthcare. Your GP and the support services at your practise are your gateway to the wider healthcare system, unless you intend to pay a wholly private, non-NHS GP for consultations fr referral. There are plenty private GPs around, but they aren't cheap, the following that up with the private Consultant's fees and tests, and that adds up to a fair bit of pocket money! You need to be able to have a civil dialogue and negotiate with your gateway providers, even if you want minimal interactions with them themselves. The time to be be repairing burnt bridges isn't the time you need a Consultation for something outwith a GP remit.

We all think it won't happen to us, but these things crop up when we're least expecting them, and often have financial implications of their own - whether it be the passive costs of attending appointments (fuel and hospital parking, for example) or loss of income for yourself or anyone who goes with you.

I would urge you to build yourselves a strategy for helping them tick their boxes.

As for your diabetic nurse; she's probably towing the practise party line. If you have taken yourself off Metformin, without any discussion (I said discussion, not permission) she will see that as a non-compliance. That she doesn't know of your agreement with your heart nurse and the statin is very unfortunate, but a change to medication, advised by your heart nurse, will be recorded on your notes, and I assume it has been removed from your repeat prescriptions? Could you have urged her to review your notes, and maybe help her out by guestimating when it probably might have been recorded?

Have you considered that your diabetic nurse may be looking at you and is genuinely worried for your health? Before her, she may consider, she sees a patient, diagnosed with T2 diabetes and with a history of CV disease, who is not taking his diabetes medication, and furthermore isn't taking his statin either, and he's combative when she's trying to do her job. It's just a thought.

You could consider still writing to your GP informing him of the of the misunderstanding surrounding your statin and ask him to confirm this is documented clearly in your notes, and that he further confi,rms to you, in writing that she has been informed of this position. If you don't try to make a difference, your interactions will always be thus. To be honest I find it's easier to get things done when these people think you're charming. I don't always feel it, but an appointment isn't a lifetime.

I'm not the most patient, or tolerant of people when my hackles are raised, and poor old MrB sometimes gets the fall out, but a developed charm offensive can pay dividends sometimes, in so many areas.

Good luck with it all.

The metfomin and statin were both reduced and stopped via my heart failure nurse .. Who sometimes doubles up as my diabetic nurse ..
Sorry I just cannot bring myself to talk to any of these Drs in my practice .. But if I need a dr at any point will go to my nearest practice and ask to change to them. The DSN has already stated that she will never approve of vegetarians.. And I must eat meat.
There was no and I repeat NO concern for me or my views .. She is just a nasty peice of work and I will never return after this.