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Andy12345

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Please tell me someone else watched this, this morning? at 7:45? i was fit to burst
 
eating fat and carbohydrates, it was awesome, i wished i knew a way of linking it for you to see
 
So

"Cholesterol levels can be influenced by many factors including diet, exercise and drugs, in particular statins"

"eating a balanced diet, not smoking and taking regular exercise."


I wish there was a clear answer out there.
 
i suppose the clear answer is whatever works is correct, but i agree its a painful subject
 
I wish I had a clear answer, I could just follow a diet, and know it was the right one.

It's ironic, the first sentence in the bbc report is

"The risk from saturated fat in foods such as butter, cakes and fatty meat is being overstated and demonised, according to a cardiologist."

I'd love a diet with cakes as a healthy food.
 
Douglas, as a diabetic carbs make your blood sugar rise. The most sensible option is to reduce them as much as possible. I've a few simple rules that help me:
1. If the food is white or could be if it wasn't wholemeal (excluding dairy and cauliflower) then avoid.
2. Vegetables that grow above ground are good.
3. Fruit in moderation (avoid bananas, tropical fruit or grapes) and test to see how it affects you. Berries are better fruits.
4. Don't be afraid of natural fats such as butter, lard or olive oil, but don't go out of your way to eat extra fats. Avoid fats that have been messed about with such as Flora.
5. Nuts are low carb (except peanuts which aren't actually nuts). If you want a cereal for breakfast search on here for the recipe from IanD which contains ground almonds.
 
The interview on BBC1 would have been better and more balanced if there was a Cardiologist with opposing views IMHO rather than a dietitian.

You can read the BMJ article here which gives more information than the interview on TV.
http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f6340

The main thrust seems to be that a high fat diet results in a quicker weight loss and both the low carb and low G.I. help diabetics with insulin resistance and cholesterol levels.
He also thinks that processed meats can lead to coronary heart disease and diabetes because of the additives used to preserve them.
In his opinion, low fat is not healthy because of the added sugars and fillers.

He is also using data collected in 1956 where groups of dieters consumed either 90% fat, 90% protein or 90% carbohydrates and the greatest loss was in the fat consuming group. (90% of anything is a rather large amount for anyone, diabetic or not).

There are also his opinions about statins. I have tried them, suffered the consequences and will never take them again. You have to make your own mind up about statins as some take them with no ill effects. If you have inherited high cholesterol and statins don't suit you, there are other cholesterol lowering drugs that you can try.
 
douglas99 said:
I wish I had a clear answer, I could just follow a diet, and know it was the right one.

It's ironic, the first sentence in the bbc report is

"The risk from saturated fat in foods such as butter, cakes and fatty meat is being overstated and demonised, according to a cardiologist."

I'd love a diet with cakes as a healthy food.
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almost every weekend i make and eat cakes, last weeks was a carrot cake, it was amazing
 
))Denise(( said:
Douglas, as a diabetic carbs make your blood sugar rise. The most sensible option is to reduce them as much as possible. I've a few simple rules that help me:
1. If the food is white or could be if it wasn't wholemeal (excluding dairy and cauliflower) then avoid.
2. Vegetables that grow above ground are good.
3. Fruit in moderation (avoid bananas, tropical fruit or grapes) and test to see how it affects you. Berries are better fruits.
4. Don't be afraid of natural fats such as butter, lard or olive oil, but don't go out of your way to eat extra fats. Avoid fats that have been messed about with such as Flora.
5. Nuts are low carb (except peanuts which aren't actually nuts). If you want a cereal for breakfast search on here for the recipe from IanD which contains ground almonds.
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Do you have any links to long term studies of diets high in butter, lard, and olive oil?
Long term being more than 6 months?
 
Andy12345 said:
douglas99 said:
I wish I had a clear answer, I could just follow a diet, and know it was the right one.

It's ironic, the first sentence in the bbc report is

"The risk from saturated fat in foods such as butter, cakes and fatty meat is being overstated and demonised, according to a cardiologist."

I'd love a diet with cakes as a healthy food.
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almost every weekend i make and eat cakes, last weeks was a carrot cake, it was amazing
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So, a carrot cake with white flour and sugar?
With the normal sugar frosting.
http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/3229 ... arrot-cake
I didn't see the cardiologist mention anything different to one any normal shop would sell.
So, we can either take what he said in entirety, or go down the dangerous route of picking and choosing to selectively quote what he has said.
 
douglas99 said:
Andy12345 said:
douglas99 said:
I wish I had a clear answer, I could just follow a diet, and know it was the right one.

It's ironic, the first sentence in the bbc report is

"The risk from saturated fat in foods such as butter, cakes and fatty meat is being overstated and demonised, according to a cardiologist."

I'd love a diet with cakes as a healthy food.
Click to expand...




almost every weekend i make and eat cakes, last weeks was a carrot cake, it was amazing
Click to expand...

So, a carrot cake with white flour and sugar?
With the normal sugar frosting.
http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/3229 ... arrot-cake
I didn't see the cardiologist mention anything different to one any normal shop would sell.
So, we can either take what he said in entirety, or go down the dangerous route of picking and choosing to selectively quote what he has said.
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3 Eggs
300 grams Almond Flour
100 grams Greek Yogurt
2 teaspoon(s) Cinnamon
2 teaspoon(s) Ginger
1 teaspoon(s) Nutmeg
1 teaspoon(s) All Spice
2 teaspoon(s) Vanilla Extract
2 teaspoon(s) Baking Powder
2.5 Medium Carrots finely Grated
50 grams Unsalted Melted Butter
1 drop(s) Vegetable Oil
1 dash(es) Sweetner to taste
200 grams Cream Cheese
50 grams Unsalted Butter
25 grams Crush Walnuts


Nutrition facts
Kcal:
Carbs: 4g
Carrot Cake Directions
Melt the butter
Combine cinnamon, ginger, walnuts, all spice, almond flour, baking powder, carrots, sweetner and mix well, whisk in the melted butter, eggs, vanilla extract and yogurt.
Grease a 7" or 8" tall springform tin, pour the cake batter into the tin and bake on lower shelf in the oven at 175 degrees for 50 minutes or longer I did 1h 20 minutes because everyones cooker is different, (depends on oven and tin used). Its done when a clean skewer come out.
Remove the cake and cool
Frosting:
Beat together creame cheese, butter.
Add lemon juice and sweetner to taste and mix to desired texture.
Spread on the cake.
If you cannot get the mixture to firm up, whipp up a small bit of double cream until its thick and mix it in.
I decorated mine with walnuts and almond, dont usually but it was for a dinner party.




i did not invent this, i stole it but im sure the author wouldnt mind me sharing
 
as previously stated i wouldnt say im intelligent so yes indeed im sure i only hear the parts i want to, when someone else points out the floors in an argument i am often surprised so... but as for low carbing my resolve is so strong as it has done so much for me, i didnt read it i experienced it
 
I'm not against low carb by any means, I probably eat as few carbs as most on here. My cake recipes are similar to your.
As a type 2, it's difficult to know what to eat though.
I know carbs are bad.

I've not seen anything that says fats are good though, long term.
And no info on what types of fat.
So I avoid fats as well, and I've lost weight, and felt healthier, and don't crave carbs or fats.

Then. even this report muddies the waters by including cakes as a source of fat, rather than a source of carbs.

So, I still don't know what to do.
 
Then. even this report muddies the waters by including cakes as a source of fat, rather than a source of carbs.
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and therein lies the confusion and why there are so many arguments. One person will say a cake is high fat, another that it is high carb, it's both.
A Victoria sandwich ie 4oz, butter, 4oz flour, 4oz sugar and 2 eggs contains according to http://caloriecount.about.com/cc/recipe_analysis.php
101.8g fat and 200.7g carbs
that is 916calories from fat and 803 from carbs.
If you stick a buttercream (twice sugar to butter) then again there are slightly more calories from fat than sugar.

Actually the BMJ article really muddies the water.
He cites an infamous 1956 study by Kekwick & Pawanwhich which the authors admit was fraught with problems in that 'At worst they would cheat and lie, obtaining food from visitors, from trolleys touring the wards, and from neighboring patients The results we report are selected, a considerable number of known failures in discipline being discarded' . http://www.scribd.com/doc/28131415/Kekw ... 956-Lancet . Subsequent studies failed to replicate it's findings
Moreover, he points out the benefits after a heart attack of a Med type diet.
ie a diet which is a high in foods of vegetable origin (fruit, veg, olives, nuts, legumes, grains) and low in foods of animal origin fish, some dairy and small amounts of meat, therefore much higher in mono and polyunsaturated fats than sat fat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_diet.
 
Andy12345 said:
i did not invent this, i stole it but im sure the author wouldnt mind me sharing
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Can you score me some more underground recipes?
 
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